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Removed 12v and hybrid safety fuse, replaced & no start

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by JustJosh, May 14, 2020.

  1. JustJosh

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    Short and Sweet:
    I disconnected the positive on my week old 12v and then the safety fuse on the hybrid to do a restart in hopes of clearing the triangle of death and all the other warning lights. Car will power on but won't try to start. Any thoughts?

    Background/Long Version:
    After having my 04 with 244,000 mi show signs of a low 12v battery and failing to start 2 times in public I replaced the Toyota 12v with a NAPA Legend AGM battery (Note: NAPA Legend have AGM pieces but plated cores, though they are sworn by).

    Fine for a week or two until I get all the warning lights with the red triangle of death. I drove it for short trips for a week and half, there was mainly loss of acceleration power from a stop and the engine was a little rough. Once during this time I had to stop and turn the car off as it sounded like the engine was still throttling when i started from a stop and no longer had my foot on the gas peddle and there was little to no acceleration when I did apply it. It hadn't been an issue after turning the car off and then on.

    Now this would make 2 hybrid batteries in 3 years for myself, I got the car at 211,000 miles with a fairly recent hybrid battery. I can't recall if that one was a warranty replacement or not, but guaranteed in the last 5 years it's had at least 3 hybrid batter packs replaced, all from the same shop. But the car is inspected(to some degree) and oil changed every 4,500 miles at a Toyota dealership. The current hybrid is 1.5 years old I want to say, it was the mid-lower end $1,200 option I believe.

    When I replaced the 12v I did find a small amount of what I assume was water in the bottom, a very small amount. I know this can cause problems, but the Toyota 12v I replaced was probably 6 years old also. I'll also note I have run the car low on gas a few times being a college student, but not for more than a 30 mi round trip to school. I mention this b/c I know it can wear on the hybrid.

    The Problem:
    After disconnecting the 12v batter for 3 minutes and reconnecting all the warning lights were gone and the car sounded fine. It had switched to the EV idle pretty quickly and showed full green bars. I turned the car off and then back on to see all the lights back on. So after looking around online I read to fully reset the car you needed to disconnect the 12v and remove the orange fuse plug from the hybrid battery for 5 minutes. After doing that the car would power up but wouldn't try to start. Any suggestions?

    After the car wouldn't start I figured I'd try a different reset for the warning lights, which was using a paper clip to bridge the 5th from the right top pin with the 4th from the right bottom pin on the underdash odb port i think it is. It did get the warning lights to flash as described and brought up the service menu but no luck. Though that was a fix from the abs vsc lights.

    My options are fairly limited at this point as my budget is extremely tight being a student. Any advice would be much appreciated, thank you.
     
  2. bisco

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    did you perform the third step of sliding the safety plug?
     
  3. JustJosh

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    I did but then I had to disconnect the 12v and safety plug again for it to work.

    And thanks for the advice, I appreciate the effort.

    Something you might find interesting seeing that you're a long time member, I saw the inverter coolant was nearing the low marker and after topping it off the car almost drives like normal. The battery charges better than now than before, but cells are still dying so it can discharge quickly at somewhat random times. But I was really surprised to see the acceleration get to about normal. I'm going to watch the coolant now, it's dealer serviced every 4500 miles and I dont remember ever being told it was low.

    One more question, I can sometimes hear a high-pitched whine/frequency, while I noticed most around breaking it has persisted well after and happened without recently breaking. It reminds me of this mini-fridge I had to move out of my room b/c something in the compressor was making a high pitched noise. Any musing would be more than welcomed. Thanks again.
     
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    i have never heard of inverter coolant level making any difference, unless it was below minimum.

    you're probably hearing inverter whine, it's pretty common.

    i think the only thing you can do now is have the trouble codes read.
     
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    I replaced one bad module and all the lights are gone, running well so far. Cleaned the MAF sensor and throttle body opening, went from 32 mpg to around 40mpg in town. My HV SOC is around 53% and i think the biggest voltage difference I've seen is .3v, so they seem to be getting along well.

    For reference, while limping around with warning lights and the one bad cell I was avging 23mpg around town.
     
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    well done!(y)
     
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    Most likely the replacement batteries were "refurbished", meaning a collection of working but used cells. It's great that replacing one module got you going but other modules could fail at any time. An actual Toyota new battery would have been at least $1600 plus installation. Good luck.