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Sealing The Deal Tomorrow

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  1. RinkyDink

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    Hi All,

    First post. I've been enjoying your posts. Thanks for all the insights. Anyway, I'm having a pre-purchase inspection at a Toyota dealer on a 2015 Prius tomorrow. When I inspected the car at the non-Toyota dealership I'm buying from, everything looked great. No body work, all the electronics look good, oil in the engine was pristine . . . but I still don't know what I should expect with regard to the main Prius battery. When I set up an appointment for the inspection, I told the attendant that I wanted the inspection mainly for them to check the main battery. The attendant asked me, "For what?" He said there's nothing to check. If it's not working, then there's a check engine light, according to him. I expected that they could run some kind of diagnostic on it. Car has 80k miles on it and a good service history. Should I just take it on faith that the main battery is most likely in good shape or is there anything the Toyota dealer can check with regard to its health? Thanks for any insight.
     
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    You can get an OBD2 scanner and download an app like Dr. Prius to get a little more insight into the health of your hybrid battery: Hybrid battery diagnostic and repair tool for Toyota and Lexus

    But if your location is correct and you're in California, your hybrid battery should be covered by Toyota if it fails until 2025, or for another 70k miles (10 yrs /150k miles), whichever comes first.

    Congrats on the new wheels! Enjoy!
     
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    Thanks Pri3C. That's good info. Since I don't have an OBD2 yet, I was kind of hoping the dealer would perform a similar check with their dealership equipment. Perhaps that's wishful thinking. Anyway, one of the Toyota salespersons told me that if a hybrid battery has problems and it's not the original owner of the car, then the 100,000 mile/10 year warranty is not applicable--unless the owner bought a Toyota Certified Used Vehicle (TCUV). I wasn't sure if that were true or not. According to the Carfax service history of the car I'm likely going to buy tomorrow, the history complies with Toyota's maintenance log requirements. I don't want to pay an extra $1000 for a TCUV car to keep the original warranty intact, but maybe I don't really have to. Thanks for the congrats. I'm stoked on the car. Hoping it checks out tomorrow.
     
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    welcome!

    they can run a health check on the battery, but you have to find a service manager who understands, or another dealer.
    in all likelihood it's fine. reset one of the trip meters and take it for a 20 mile drive under varied conditions. see what she returns for average mpg's.
    you can also plug in the vin at toyota.com/owners to find all dealer service history.

    all the best!(y)
     
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    As already noted, the Dr. Prius App, has a HV battery health reading.
    But outside of this, I believe really ascertaining the health of a Prius HV battery is difficult. An accident free, 2015, with only 80K SHOULD have plenty of life remaining.
    You can have any past codes looked up, you can enter the vehicles VIN at the Toyota owners website to see if there has been any dealership reported maintenance done.

    But barring that? There is no easy way to ascertain the health, IMO.
    Toyota presents the Hybrid Battery as a Non-User Maintenance item. Toyota's approach is drive it, until it fails, when it will give you codes. They really don't want the liability of recommending owners mess with a high voltage, potentially dangerous item such as the HV battery.

    IMO Dr. Prius App, trying to get as much information about past maintenance or past thrown codes, are your best bet.
     
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    Thanks for excellent info everybody. I haven't bought the car yet. I thought $14,000 for a 2015 Prius 3 with a very good maintenance record and single owner vehicle was a decent deal, but a friend of mine thinks that's too much. Anybody else have an opinion on that? I do think the car needs new tires. I appreciate any thoughts on that price. Thanks.
     
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    The Toyota owners site tip was great. Glad I found out that site exists. I'm going through the vehicle's history there. Everything looked good on the Carfax history, but I want to compare that with what Toyota has to say. Great advice. Thanks again.
     
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    I agree with others.

    I would be more concerned with the engine maintenance than the battery at this point. I bought a 2014 with 80k and the battery reads fine with the Dr. Prius app and get about 52-55mpgs. The engine is where you should check the maintenance records. Especially the EGR circuit.

    Other than that, I would by with confidence based on what you are saying, especially with the maintenance records being inline with the dealer.
     
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    Thanks again for all the replies. I got a little irrationally exuberant over the car and have gone back to the drawing board. I need to find a Prius more suited to my budget, particularly with a looming Depression on the horizon.
     
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    I know that feeling.. How much were they asking?
     
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    At first they were asking $14, 900 and I offered $14,000. They accepted. I set up a pre-purchase vehicle inspection for the next day and slept on it. I woke up and had price bidder's remorse. I backed out of the deal and started looking for a car in the $7000 range instead. That proved futile. So I rolled the dice, called them back a week later, and offered them $12,500. They eventually accepted that offer (called me back). So I went with it. 2015, pearl white, excellent maintenance history, as-is Prius Persona 81,000 miles @ $12,500. I don't know exactly if that's a good, fair, or bad deal, but I had to end the bleeding paying for a rental car. Toyota dealer pre-purchase vehicle inspection ($164) found the brakes, tires, and car in good condition (no codes found in the hybrid battery history--something like that). That's the story. I'm loving the car and looking forward to the gas mileage and camping possibilities.
     
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    the price is the price. you're in cali where hybrids are expensive. you can look at kbb.com for a reasonable value.
     
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    Well done! Seal the deal, again, and take a pic of her. I would love to see.
     
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    Thats a very nice deal for what you got. Now I am realizing I over paid! LOL Mine is a 2014 Prius II which ONLY had bluetooth for an option lol and I paid 12.2k for it. ugh! Awesome! Congrats!
     
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    Thanks! Buying a car at the price you want is difficult. It's kind of like buying a stock at the best price. You might have a "best" price in mind, but getting the stock at that price is easier said than done. Same goes with used car shopping. I just accept that it's an imprecise form of juggling time constraints, price ranges, and bent personalities (including your own). Thankfully, it's a fairly rare chore in most people's lives. This forum has been an invaluable resource and made the car buying process much less stressful. Thanks again everyone.
     
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    I'd throw up some pics, but my internet connection is dicey. I'll try to get some up when my connection is little more stable.
     
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    He is lying to you, he makes no commission on a car you bought elsewhere. Always assume the salesman is lying all the time.

    The most honest salesman we have here is @DianneWhitmire, but again, she would not make a commission on a car you bought elsewhere.

    There is NO language in the Toyota warranty that it only applies to the first owner. I am not sure they can legally write such a warranty.

    Here is your Warranty https://www.toyota.com/t3Portal/document/omms-s/T-MMS-15Prius/pdf/2015_Toyota_Prius_WMG.pdf
     
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    Thanks Jimbo. That's good news. Yeah, he was lying. He lied about the car I viewed as well. Carfax showed no accidents or damage, but the back bumper wasn't attached correctly to the wheel well. Carfaxes are frequently inaccurate about damage. There was overspray in the wheel well. The left side rear panel wasn't flush and kept popping out of place along the panel seam. The body repair techs didn't bother to reattach it properly. Salesman said, "the panels are known for doing that with this car . . . " The body repair didn't look bad, but I walked on that one. Too many sensitive electronics in a Prius for me to overlook an obviously repaired rear bumper/side panel. I also know that dealers look for damaged vehicles with clean Carfaxes at the auctions. You have to inspect for damage before you buy, regardless of a pristine Carfax.
     
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    Our first Prius was a white '15 two...reliable as usual. Tires can be an issue, tho. Keep them rotated regularly, and will do fine. Thanks.
     
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    Agree with all of you.
     
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