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Oil Filter Cap...Destroyed From Over-tightening

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by FlyboyTR, Jun 14, 2019.

  1. FlyboyTR

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    Our new to us v has been going through some serious maintenance getting it ready for a 5k mile trip, leaving this weekend. I have performed all the following: transmission drain and fill, new brakes and fluid flush, new coolant (engine and Synergy Drive) and filters. Today was the last item on the list....engine oil change.

    I still had the entire lower engine cover off from the transmission service so access was easy. I could not budge the filter cap/housing. My wife's Lexus has the same filter and I have the special cap tool for removing that cap. No joy. Got a longer pull bar... No joy. Finally put a pipe on it and got after it with my foot. The cap wrench basically split into three pieces! But the filter cap has not moved! Since I didn't want to risk breaking it and dealing with that mess...I just took it to my local dealer for a $36 oil change.

    After a while the mechanic came inside and talked with the service writer...I was called over. He said they would need to replace the cap because it was cracked and pointed out that the crack had been covered with tape to prevent it from leaking! Really??? Yes, it did have some type of friction tape on it. I assume it was from where one of the oil change places was trying to do something to get the cap off. Since I knew they cap was going to be history...I didn't challenge the cracked and taped cap. But, the filter housing was bone dry (no oil leaks)...and a piece of tape is not going to hold back oil under pressure! For grins...I did tell them I wanted to take the cracked part with me and to NOT throw it away.

    Basically, they drilled holes through it near the metal housing. Eventually they were able to get the housing to crack when they put the cap wrench on it. Then they started drilling out the threaded part (the oil change grease monkey was NOT doing any of this). Finally they were able to break the threaded part and unscrew what remained of the housing. The service manager was very adamant and concerned about when the filter had actually been changed last. He had also kept the filter for me to see....man that thing looked like a dog had been chewing on it. They installed the new cap and finished the job.

    This 2012 v was only seen by the dealer when new for 6 visits. After that, the previous (original) owner had an independent shop do all his service. My concern is....how many oil change cycles did that filter have on it? There is no way of knowing when this thing was overtighened...could have been the last oil change or could have been 100k ago! While I am concerned about this....I'll just have to assume that all is good! It runs good and was getting 45+ MPG before I installed the new tires.

    Anyway...just wanted to share.
     
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    Good story. My two takeaways are: 1. Respect plastic and don't over-tighten it, 2. Do your own oil changes and everything else within your skill level. Did you see the screw-on filter adapter someone recently posted? It's a bit expensive, but something to consider for anyone who doesn't care for cartridges and plastic housings.
     
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    Thanks! If the screw-on filter adapter is something different than the standard multi-toothed socket for the filter caps....then no, I didn't see that post. Maybe I can find it. Thanks again.
     
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    Third takeaway I learned the hard way: Don't do major (or a lot) things right before leaving on a big trip. Give yourself at least a week, two preferably (some say even a month), to make sure A) things were done correctly or B) time to correct them (shipping, etc) if they weren't.
     
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    About the dog chewed filter, if they were drilling through the cap it could have been easily nicked by the drill bit. (Hopefully)...

    I’m quite nit picky about getting service done precisely when due, so glad you got everything done to give you peace of mind on your trip!

    Have a safe and wonderful time!
     
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    That's for sure. The day before a long road trip, I had my tires rotated and balanced. Just a short drive home on side streets from the shop, all appeared normal. Next day, load up the car and head out on the Interstate - the car is undrivable it is shaking so badly. About 15 miles from home hit the next tire shop, and they found that all the wheels were off balance by well over 2 ounces. They showed me where the weights had been and where they were now (opposite sides of the wheel, essentially). They fixed it and car drove perfectly. Got back home the next week, went back to the first shop. Owner apologized, refunded money, and explained that the kid who (used to) work there had set the machine up for a different size tire. Apparently I wasn't the only one and so he was let go.
     
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    The glass filled nylon cap expands with age. My 2012 v's cap got harder to put the official Toyota cap wrench on and take it off with every successive oil change.

    I eventually converted to the "spin on" filter as Toyota did for newer Prius models.

    Now, it is a breeze to remove and install the filter.
     
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    I’m not quite sure the terminology for it but I think he’s referring to retrofitting the metal filter type. Then you don’t deal with the plastic canister anymore, just remove the filter and replace. It might be possible to retrofit your wife’s engine as well. It doesn’t seem possible with my ‘14 Scion iQ, so I just decided to continue using the original plastic canister filter configuration. (I found the dimensions of the filter element to be the exact same so I am actually using the same filter for both the Prius and iQ).
     
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    Everyone...Thanks for the great suggestions and support. Really appreciated! I feel much better knowing this is behind me. I want to learn more about a conversion kit so that a conventional screw-on filter can be used. If anyone has a link convenient...please post it!

    I am leaving tomorrow for a 4K mile trip in the v. Praying that all goes well! Thanks again!
     
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    I would like to add that the oil causes the O-ring to swell on the filter cover. Always takes a lot more effort to get off than when putting it on. It will usually spin on finger tight then take a 1/8 or 1/4 turn to snug up with the ratchet handle. When it comes time to remove, it is easily a 1/2 to full turn before it will spin off with the fingers.
     
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    I've done 18 diy changes now (twice yearly for 9 years). Always oil the cr@p out of the new O-ring, always torque to 18 foot pounds. Nobody else has touched it. Haven't had any problems.

    Likely some idiot put OP's on with an impact wrench.
     
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    Never a problem with my filter cap. It's easy, excepting the awkward location.
     
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    Last oil change I didn’t get the oil HOT like I did prior. The OE Toyota Service Tool fit slightly loose, and came off slightly loose.
     
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    I just finished the annual oil change on our v this morning. Unfortunately when I seated the plastic cap, I did not seat it properly. It got hard to turn so I used the cap tool and wrench to start. I stopped when I realized something was wrong, backed it out, and found I had damaged the first cm of the initial threads on the cap. I found the nearest AutoZone which opens at 6:00 am and drove down there to pick up a replacement Dorman cap. Sigh...
     
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    Bought my 2010 with 115K miles, previous owner had changed oil and filter every 5K miles at Jiffy Lube. My first oil change could not budge cap, even with long breaker bar. Had it at dealer for warranty work a couple weeks later, they loosened it up and torqued to 18 ft/lbs, and said a bunch of teeth were busted off. I put a new cap on, but will probably do the spin on filter conversion sooner or later. Don’t trust the filter/cap/o-ring system.
     
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    Did the spin on conversion a couple of years, ago, and never looked back. No more stuck plastic cartridge housing.
     
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    Here is the kit I got. Really like it. works like a charm.
     

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