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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by lpf, Jun 1, 2020.

  1. ChapmanF

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    MFD always reads a good fraction of a volt lower than at the battery, or even at the DLC3 port. It's a measurement made internally at the MFD, reflecting voltage drops in the circuit feeding it and internally. The 0.44 volt difference you're seeing is actually a bit smaller than the .6 or .7 I'm used to seeing. Depends in part on what other stuff is on in the car. Doesn't indicate any problem.
     
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    A battery that's persistently around that level, probably just replace. How old is it; I forget if you mentioned?

    The best diagnosis would be an electronic load tester, testing CCA and making an assessment. In lieu of that, persistent low voltage, and getting on in years (say over 3~4 years), just replace.
     
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    It about 18 months old, I think it is worthy to give it a try. I'm thinking if the small under seat subwoofer that I recently installed causes problems ... This is a 150W device, around 8A and powers on when in ACC
     
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    Yeah, research chargers, smart charger around 3.5 amp rating max. And better avoid ACC.
     
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    Yes it is normal flooded battery, 45Ah CCA 360, obviously installed by previous owner instead of an AGM. I'll ask Toyota here what is the battery they install for Prius Gen2, and probably I will replace it on time.
     
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    Tested today at a battery shop. After 40 minutes drive, 5 minutes after powering of the car, tested at 12.60V and 440 CCA. He suggested not to charge it with a charger, but monitor it for some days and also check if the charging system is ok. Also we talked about AGM batteries, he insists that in Greece flooded are used normally.
     
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    The CCA sounds good. (y)
     
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    Today I charged the 12V battery with the pictured 4A charger. It took 50 minutes from 12.5V up to 13.17V (according to the charger display). At the same time, voltmeter readings were 12.6V and 13.2V. After that I connected Torque when in ACC, reading was 12.2 and MFD check shows 12.1V
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    Check again in a day or two, to avoid falsely high reading due to surface charge (due to charging). Preferably with digital multimeter, with car off, not car display.

    All that said, that reading fresh after charging seems very low.
     
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    Yes, to me looks low. I will come back again

    Posted via a Xiaomi mobile & the PriusChat mobile app.
     
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    After charging you can run the high beams for 30 secs. This is another way to get rid of surface charge. Then measure voltage at the terminals with a V/multimeter.

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    Checked after resting all the night. Multimeter reads 12.4. So time and money waste, it didn't charged fully, I thing it has to be replaced when comes to a critical voltage.
    PS I disconnected only the negative pole when charging, do you think that this was wrong?
     
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    Not wrong but totally unnecessary to disconnect anything.

    I don't see a "done" light on your charger. 50 minutes might not be nearly long enough.......and 13.1 is not a high enough "float" voltage. It should be at least 13.4.

    And your conclusion that the battery did not charge fully might not be right.
    And old, weak, worn out battery will often "self discharge" at a rapid rate.

    Your reading of 12.4 after charging and sitting overnight with no load.......indicates that your battery is right on the verge of total failure, if it really was charged as much as possible to start with.
     
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    Picture of the charger is just ...to see the charger. Screen indicated full at the end. I will repeat measurement next week, as 12,4V is 75% SOC I think.
     
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    If the OPs conventional lead acid battery has a 'resting voltage' of 12.4, that wouldn't indicated it being on the verge of total failure.

    The battery is between 50%-75%, depending on temperature and the voltage meter being used, and assuming a 'resting' state.
     
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    Battery is a lead acid sealed one. Temperature here is around 35-36C, charged yesterday afternoon (33-34C)
     
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    IF you have an AGM (sealed) battery, then 12.4 is more like 55%.
    Either way, it is low.
     
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    With automotive size batteries, "lead acid" and "sealed" usually mean two DIFFERENT types.
    If it really is sealed, then it likely is AGM, which uses similar chemical technology but in an entirely different way.
     
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    Sealed means maintenance free battery to me, you cannot add anything and in theory there is no need to do so.
    Have a look here: 5 Battery Types Explained - Sealed, AGM, Gel | BatteryStuff
     
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    I KNOW about batteries.

    Ones marked "Maintenance free" are usually not really sealed completely.
    They are mostly conventional lead acid with a slightly different chemistry.

    What it "means to you" isn't necessarily the truth.

    I'm pretty sure that the "old" hybrids all had AGM batteries but someone could have replaced it with a "maintenance free" conventional.

    You are clouding the issue.......which IS that 12.4 is low, regardless of what type it is.