Foley - Who gets to claim him?

Oh don't complicat things, It was Clinton's fault

Don't you know everything is Clinton's fault, when Brutis killed Cesar, Yup, Clinton's fault. And Marie Antonete's (sp?) eating cake remark, Clinton told her to say it. And if Clinton wasn't chasing Princess Di, she would still be alive. San Francisco earthquake, Clinton did it. Worst of all, it was Clinton's heavy breathing that started Katrina. h34r:

 

"And Marie Antonete's (sp?) eating cake remark,"

Actually, Marie Antoinette was framed!

See link:

http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1883921,00.html

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tleonhar @ Oct 4 2006, 10:19 AM) [snapback]327924[/snapback]</div>

And I thought it's Bush's fault.

 

Foley being gay has nothing to do with the current crisis and his stepping down. He's a child predator.

 

It is my painful duty to report that I, too, received an email from Mark Foley. In the spirit of full disclosure, I enclose it herein


"Hi Jared! I have been following your posts now whenever I get some time from my duties on the child protection committee in the house and I just what to say I think you're hot! Almost as hot as MS. Anyway, what are you wearing right now? Shorts? Love to slip them off you. A lot of my clergymen friends think you might be too old, but I have a feeling, based on your posts, that you are 16 or 17. Am I right? I want to meet you. Can you send a pic? Keep it up (hey hey)

Mark"

I know it is disgusting. Should I respond?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Oct 4 2006, 01:07 PM) [snapback]327978[/snapback]</div>

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

FOX news' Bill O'Lielly show posted during the Foley debacle last night (Tuesday) that Foley is a Democrat.

Gotta love the FOX news network....bunch of right wing propagandists, absolute criminals.

Liberal media my ***.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The Amazing Arthur @ Oct 5 2006, 01:28 AM) [snapback]328347[/snapback]</div>

Sure, Foley is a democrat, a guy in a cave orchestrated 9/11, God is on our side, gun control would not reduce school shootings and giving more trillions to the military/corporate complex will make us safer as it bankrupts the country. I believe it, because I am faith-based.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dragonfly @ Oct 4 2006, 02:06 PM) [snapback]327977[/snapback]</div>

How is he a child predator? He is attracted to 16-17 year old boys. Surprise, most gay men are attracted to teenage boys. Just like straight men like young girls, men are the same no matter their orientation.

My point is, "pedophilia" and child predator is a label to place on someone who attacks children that are prepubescent. In fact, that is the actual definition of pedophilia. Foley is *not* in the same group as a sexual predator attacking 5 year olds - that deserves the death penalty. Foley is just plain gay and likes young guys.

By the way, the legal age of consent in Florida is 16. So what's the problem?

(I vote Democrat, but this is plain homophobia. I didn't care about Clinton's scandals, and I don't care about this guy. Either kick him out of office or whatever, but lets move on please. However I AM surprised that a gay man would be a Republican...talk about the party of intolerance.)

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Soylent @ Oct 5 2006, 11:29 AM) [snapback]328443[/snapback]</div>

Actually, I thought about this. Most people do not distinguish between being attracted to a 16 year old and a 6 year old. Yes, it is different. But look at all the trouble Clinton got into for getting a BJ! It is all a part of the extreme discomfort Americans have with sexuality; it would be laughable in France. But who cares - if it alienates the Christian right wingers and leads to the loss of Republican control of the House, it is at least an incremental improvement in my book.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Soylent @ Oct 5 2006, 10:29 AM) [snapback]328443[/snapback]</div>

Asside from this questionable generalization, attraction is not a crime. Acting on the attraction is.

If he had intent to have sex with a minor, he is legally a felon.

The problem is that his interactions with teenagers happened in many states, including California, where the age of censent is 18.
There's also the matter of the mentor-page relationship, similar to teacher-student/priest-parishoner, where the mentor is expected to be held to a higher standard than the average citizen.
And finally, the cover-up.

 

"If he had intent to have sex with a minor, he is legally a felon."

Is this true? Can it really be a crime to have a thought in your head? What if you have an "intent" and do not act on it? Sounds very Orwellian to me.

 

Who gets to claim Foley? Well, IF Foley represented San Francisco you just know he would not have resigned, and his poll numbers would be way up. <_< (just something to think about)

 

Who gets to claim Foley? Obviously, the biggest guy in the cellblock.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Soylent @ Oct 5 2006, 08:29 AM) [snapback]328443[/snapback]</div>

Amazing what people learn when they listen to many different points of view and don't just assume.
http://online.logcabin.org/

Did you also assume there were no people of color in the Republican Party?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Oct 5 2006, 11:46 AM) [snapback]328454[/snapback]</div>

Luckily, w/o an act...thoughts are still never a crime (except hte thoghts i the eyes of most libs)

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Oct 5 2006, 10:46 AM) [snapback]328454[/snapback]</div>

There has to be an action, such as arranging a meeting with the minor, along with the intent to have sex. Both have to be demonstrated in court. (An action that demonstrates the intent.) Sorry, I wasn't clear about that before.

 

Foley is guilty of hypocrisy, but his "crimes" do not amount to much. Sleazy, yes. But he wasn't exactly raping kids.

How much worse are those who take the country to war on false pretexts and waste thousands of lives and billions of dollars?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Soylent @ Oct 5 2006, 08:29 AM) [snapback]328443[/snapback]</div>

Not exactly wrong, but not exactly right in the current case being discussed:

FLORIDA 18
The age of sexual consent is 16 for adults who are under 24 years of age,
or if the adult that is 24 years of age or older is married to the minor.

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA 16

Amazing what you can do with Google. It's also astounding after the amount coverage of this on TeeVee I finally hear an analyst mention the age of consent in DC last night. Obviously charges will be based on the law where an offense was committed, but up to now I can't see anyone with any credentials saying it looks like there's been an offense (in the law).

Second surprise this morning was the Fox guy actually mentioned Rep. Crane (the other guy censured for sex with a page in 1983). Okay, so he did kind of stumble around and sorta leave the impression that Crane was also a Democrat, but progress is progress.