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Tuner Lug Nuts - WHICH ONES???

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by andreimontreal, Jul 23, 2020.

  1. andreimontreal

    andreimontreal Active Member

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    I got a set of 15x6.5 Enkei J10 for my Pri. I want the McGard silver spline nuts BUT reading reviews, their key is terribly soft and breaks (who does that?). If you have exp with it, let me know.

    I heard of Rays - seems expensive for my needs. Who else makes quality affordable nuts that won't rust and break and whatnot. I read Gorilla can be only trouble. Advice pls; I'm dying inside from all this research in front of my pc. Going in loops now.

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    I'll offer a two cent comment.
    McGard makes lug nuts, that's their business.
    It is difficult for me to believe the metal they use is too soft for the application.

    What would cause a lug nut to break?
    Over torqueing or using air wrenches to remove and install would be my guess.
    What would cause a lug nut to be to soft?
    Weird, maybe the softness is the top (visible part) design of the nut and they can be dented from improper socket/ tool application.

    So, there are specialty lug nut sockets available with the inside of the socket lined with a plastic or rubber liner to negate scratching the lugs.
    Make sure the socket depth is considered.
    My advise is to buy one of those specialty sockets and always use hand tools to remove and install and use a quality torque wrench to install the nuts, noting to install in a star pattern, even going so far as to "ramp up" (such as torque to 35, then 50 and then final 65) to the final torque.
    Go ahead and buy those Silver Spines lugs you like.

    Good luck.
     
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    I'ts the McGard keys that the OP says are soft and liable to break, not their lug nuts. One claimed "plus" for the McGard lug nuts is that they are the same weight as the originals, but maybe that's true of other brands too.
     
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    Totally agree with Kenny. In the past, I have gone thru a lot of issues when it came to specialty rims and the lug nuts that come with them. Specialty rims are a beautiful addition to cars. I still love them!! And, due to the issues (sometimes expensive) I had with them, I truly admire those that stick with this art! A true rim lover will have special lugs, special extra lugs, special tools and, in some cases, a special shop/person that they go to when fixing flats. Look at it like this, if you get a custom paint job on your car, you will have to go to custom paint job sites for touch ups, etc. I made the mistake once ( a newbie to the specialty rim scene) by going to your average tire shop for replacement tires for my custom rims. They broke my studs, stripped my lugs, installed those stupid clamp weights to the outside of the rims and tried to blame me for the whole mess!! Learned my lesson. So, back to Kenny94945 suggestions, I totally agree. Your going to have to invest with the proper tools and get a good guy to work on your rims. Rays may be expensive, but, they will work. As for the process, Kenny is spot on. I'm telling you from experience, specialty rims is an art and can be at times, expensive. But oh the look is so cool!!
     
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    Opps...I can't read :)

    The wheel lock key is the OP question.
    I think my answer could still stay that same in regards to breaking so still default to using hand tools to install & remove the wheel locks and be careful when torqueing so the key does strip or become "cock eyed".

    If you like those Silver Spine buy them AND also see if you can order a second set of lock keys.

    Again good luck.
     
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    That's what I thought too; everything you say there is the mental process/findings that I went through. I pulled the trigger for silver splines indeed - 2 piece with bearing.

    You think there's a McGard specialty tool with coating inside? I didn't see any.

    I was thinking whether to let somebody actually install the wheels. Thanks for the heads up - I read a lot of horror stories along the lines. Gonna look for people that have stick on weights and handle things without scratching and I think I'll tell them to let me install my own wheelz.

    Sharp eye.

    Indeed McGard claims to have a special alloy for the nuts and they have a triple chroming process - something through anyway for finishing and those lug nuts lasts a lifetime. The issue is that the key needs thin walls and some people destroy it (but not sure if by hand) - you should always work with hand tools: breaker bar and torque wrench.

    I heard a trick from a reviewer: take a nipple/piece of pipe and using JB Weld reinforce the area of the key which sticks out, maybe starting 1/8-1/4 from the rim. He says that took care of the issue. I can always reinforce McGard keys but I'll have a hell of a time cleaning rust off Gorilla nuts or other cheaper nuts so - I spend once, and have it for decades. Of course, I bought 2 tools for now. At 15 bucks Canadian, each, it's ooook, alright.

    Andrei
     
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