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HyCam noisy going down hill

Discussion in 'Toyota Hybrids and EVs' started by CamryDriver, Jul 3, 2018.

  1. CamryDriver

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    On our latest trip a couple of time the car made a horrible noise when going down some steep hills. Has anyone else experienced this? The engine seemed to be on and running at a high RPM. Was this Toyota's version of a Jake Brake?
     
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    Sort of. When the battery is full, the system will spin up the engine to throw away the excess energy of coasting on regen. Most of the time, it only happens automatically when going down hill. You activate it manually by selecting B on the transmission shifter.
     
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    "B"? I got Park, Reverse, Neutral, and Drive...

    The noise happened at a time when the battery was not all the way full. The hill was steep, the AC was on, the battery should have been cool and maybe 3/4 full. The cruise was on. I'm wondering if the engine braking was needed to maintain speed? The display did not show that the engine was on so maybe it was just pumping air?

    The steering wheel shook quite a bit when this was occurring.
     
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    could be the heat, and the battery not being able to accept the charge rate.
    is there not an L on the shifter?
     
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    B is, or was, for brake on Toyota hybrids; it provides engine braking by spinning the engine to pump air. In some situations, like coasting downhill with a nearly full battery, the system engages it automatically. It might be labeled L on some models using the gear shifter assembly from an ICE version of the car.

    Checking out the owner's manual, I see that Toyota did away with B and L for the 2018 Camry hybrid. Instead you got the S(equential) position; other makes call it manual mode. On the ICE models, this limits the max gear selection you want to car to use in order to provide heavier acceleration and engine braking. The hybrid doesn't have set gear ratios, but the control software mimics the same driving behavior as this gives in the ICE model.

    From the manual, "A lower shift range will provide greater accelerating force and engine braking force than a higher shift range, and the engine revolutions will also increase." I can't say how the system is actually accomplishing the greater acceleration, but the engine braking is going to be done the way it has always been done in Toyota hybrids.

    So the new Camry hybrid has the function of B gear in the S gear, but now gives you a range of engine braking amounts to choose from. Cars with the 4.2in display also get paddle shifters for controlling it.

    The cruise control might have used engine braking to control speed. The manual isn't clear on how it decelerates the car. Or the battery was near full. Or the recent regen charge from coasting without engine braking heated up the battery enough that the system felt it best to take the load off it. We can't know exactly why without additional monitoring systems on the car. But the car switching on engine braking automatically while going down hill is normal behavior for Toyota hybrids.

    Now I don't recall my 2005 Prius steering wheel ever shaking when engine braking was engaged. That might not be normal. Perhaps something is loose that started moving with the higher engine rpms.
     
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    Yeah no B or L but there is that silly Sport Mode. I don't bother with Sport Mode since it seems to mimic an inferior shifting system for the benefit of those who are not accustom to HSD.

    I figured it was "normal" for the car to do this but was not entirely sure. The hills were steeper than any we have previously driven on. The high RPM and odd noise (and vibration in the steering wheel) were a little concerning but the car drove completely normally after the big downhill sections so I wasn't too worried (just a little).
     
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    Toyota calls it sequential, and it really is no different in operation than the 3, 2, 1 on automatic shifters back in the days for the ICE model. There is just 9 gears in the slush box now vs. the 4 or 3 back then. A person feeling frisky could treat it like a manual shifter, but its point for being there has nothing to do with sport, but with giving the driver control of engine braking on descents.

    In the hybrid, it is just B, but with a choice of 5 steps to 'downshift' to instead of just the one in previous Toyota hybrids.
     
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    I'm checking out threads here on going down steep declines as I'm about to eat a big brake rebuild due to warped brake rotors (at 25,800 miles).

    I've also heard the engine whining/racing noise as I've driven down steep declines here in Vermont (we have some steep roads up/over the Green Mountains). The noise is very disconcerting, but I gather, from everything I've read in the threads that it's nothing to be alarmed about. I'll just put car in B mode, pump brakes as needed, and disregard whiny noises from the system. Have I got that right?

    Thanks!
     
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    Correct.
     
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    Could it be related to the road surface(s) or wheel alignment or a tire issue?
     
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    When using either regenerative or engine braking, the tire contact patches and the front drive axles are loaded; under stress. In theory you're feeling the same vibrations you'd get from them under hard acceleration. If it's more than that you might want to have it looked at.
     
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    Yeah this only happens during our family vacations and only if we take a certain extra hilly route. I'm not all that worried about it. Seems like it is working like it should to me now that I understand that the Camry really does have a "Jake Brake".