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Random Misfire - I'm stumped??!

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Main Forum' started by Jozplatte, Sep 4, 2020.

  1. Jozplatte

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    Got a 2010 Prius for cheap, only problem was a random misfiring. Would only seem to misfire from a cold start, but after it warmed up it seemed to run ok. Codes were for cylinder 2/4 and random misfires. First thing I did was replace the spark plugs, I noticed the plug on cylinder 2 was...damp? Didn't smell of gas or oil though? the plugs didn't even look that bad. I then noticed the water reservoir was about two quarts low. So I figured it must be a bad head gasket. The next thing I did was a compression test. All cylinders tested 150+. So the compression was fine on all cylinders. Next I cleaned the whole egr system, but it wasn't too bad, not clogged. I also replaced PCV valve, clean the intake manifold and replaced the intake manifold gasket. I swapped all the coils off my other 2010, swapped the injectors from cylinder #2 and #1 and fired her up. Still misfiring! kicked codes for cylinder #4 again. Must be injectors right? So I ordered what I thought was a set but tuned out to be a single (Don't try to order parts at 4am LOL) I replaced cylinder 4 injector. Still misfiring. This time kicked the code for cylinder #3. I'm stumped. Tomorrow I will try swapping injectors from my other 2010 and see what happens.
     

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    Do a leak down test. Most likely, you have a failed head gasket. Symptoms and mileage are consistent with the failures reported.
     
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    Sounds like a HG. Just passing a compression test does not mean the HG is OK.

    You can do a "block test" for combustion gases in the engine coolant reservoir.

    If there is a sealing failure between the cylinders (one or more) and the coolant passages in the head/block then cooling system pressure may force some coolant into the cylinder(s), leading to misfire. If you fill the reservoir, and notice it overflowing, that would be due to the combustion gases increasing pressure in the cooling system.

    If you notice the problem when cold, it could be due to the residual cooling system pressure after a drive gradually causing coolant to leak into the cylinder. After some driving, the coolant is expelled and the cylinder warms up to more easily burn the coolant, and warming up may help the failing seal do its job better.

    Another test would be to carefully check for coolant in the cylinders. Fill the reservoir, drive the car until fully warm. Then park it. Next day, without running the engine, probe in the spark plug holes to see signs of coolant. Paper towel on a stick, endoscope will do it. Blasting compressed air in and seeing what comes out (visually or blocking with a paper towel), or cranking the engine with the plugs removed and seeing if coolant droplets spray out, will all do it.

    If that last test does not show coolant, and you want to try harder, you could pressurize the cooling system with the engine cold, and hold that pressure for a couple of hours, then test for coolant seepage as described.

    EDIT - And a leakdown test as mentioned by @The Critic would be very quick and definitive if there is a good sized leak for all the different options of HG leaks. If the leak is from the cylinder to the cooling system, and the leak is big enough, the leakdown test would show bubbles coming through to the coolant reservoir. The testing I describe would be aimed at a cylinder-to-cooling system leak only, and would be more likely than a leakdown to find a marginal leak.

    And also, when "HG" is said, of course that is the most common head failure on these cars, but it could also be a cracked head, valve issue, etc. Hopefully a failed test would lead to head removal at which time exact diagnosis would be easy.
     
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    I got a set of rebuilt injectors off eBay. Put them in and started her up. It hiccuped once or twice but then ran smooth. Past few days I’ve done about 5-6 cold starts and no issues, I’ve also taken it on a couple test drives and not a single misfire so far. Very odd. My best guess so far is a injector was leaking gas into the valves/intake, then would flood a cylinder on startup. But I still don’t know why the coolant was low. It’s running great after an almost full tune up. I think I’m just going to run it, and keep an eye on the coolant and see what happens ‍♂️
     
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    please keep us posted, all the best!(y)
     
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    Damn, after about 100 miles P0302 misfire code came up again. Didn’t hear the misfire but code is there.
     
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    Unfortunately these things are becoming famous for their leaky headgaskets. That’s most likely your unfortunate reality :( it’s honestly a damn shame on Toyota’s part
     
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    @Jozplatte (and all): I haven't read through this line-by-line, but don't think you've posted your miles (odometer)?
     
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    2200k sorry I though I posted in the original, my bad.

    I think I’m going to replace the head gasket. By the sounds of it I’ll have to replace it sooner or later haha. Anyone know of any good guides or threads?

    the injectors I got from eBay were from a highly rated seller. I’m not buying some $30 “rebuilt” Cheops haha.
     
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    2.2 million miles on original head gasket, one hell of a run.
     
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    So many try replacement coils and plugs, I can't recall it ever solving the problem. Without fail it's the head gasket.
     
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    Well, "without fail" might be a little strong, considering most of the causes of misfires are common across gasoline engines, and we certainly have threads here about those things causing misfires in Prii, and even that old AECS article about the Gen 1 that the owner let go for scrap because of what turned out to be a spark plug. (The title of astrolink's thread was something like "I think I'm going to sell" and clean injectors fixed that one.)

    I suspect part of what goes on is that a lot of people who experience misfires knuckle down and diagnose the cause and fix it and then don't have misfires, and then they don't feel compelled to post on PriusChat about it because they figure they only did what anybody would have done. So maybe more of the posts that end up here will turn out to be HGs rather than any of the usual simple causes.

    Still a shame to talk anybody out of checking the simple causes in case they haven't yet, on the spectre of it being a HG.
     
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    True, but at this point I’ve:

    cleaned egr/intake
    New spark plugs
    Swapped all the coils with good used ones.
    New injectors
    New pcv valve
    Compression test, all above 150
    Oil looks good
    Coolant was about 2 quarts low but no oil mixed in

    But still misfiring on cylinder 2 at startup. It’s strange that it ran much better after new injectors. It had multiple misfires along with cylinder 2. Now just seems to be cylinder 2. It frustrating because it runs fine other then startup.

    I just wish there were more evidence for a blown head gasket other then low coolant and cylinder misfire, but I guess that’s all you need to know.

    Ordering the parts tonight, I’m going with a Fel-Pro kit and new head bolts. About $230 for everything.
     
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    New injectors are nice on a old Prius, I put new ones in my old 2004 and it seems to run a good bit better.

    My experience with a Prius HG was my sisters 2010 a few years ago. We tried everything before resigning to the HG issue at 190k. We ended up replacing the engine ourselves because it was also drinking oil like mad.

    We replaced it with a 2013 Prius plug-In engine with only 40k. Everything worked out, worked fine for about 2 years. Well about 60k later it’s burning oil and got a leaky headgasket. I was shocked! we ended up putting one of those shitty headgasket sealers in. For the last 20k it’s been fine. It was mixing the oil and coolant pretty bad. The leak is mostly fixed now.


    At this point we are waiting for it to die. It’s still on its OG battery with over 275k now, so who knows what will happen next.

    it does make us like the old gen2 even more! They never had such issues. Our last 2005 with over 340k until it was totaled.


    Anyway.. keep us updated and I hope everything goes well!
     
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    Turned out to be a small head gasket leak. I replaced the head gasket myself. I was surprised how easy it was, I was able to do it in just a couple days and only $230 for parts. One year later and no issues since.
     
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    That and two coolant quarts low was pretty definitive. Glad you got off cheap and it has lasted a year. I like a borescope inspection to avoid excessive parts cannon activity.