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I just got a Prius! (And now I have to work on it!)

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by Isaac Zachary, Jul 16, 2020.

  1. dolj

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    2k1Toaster has said in the past that even a battery of 3000 mAh will work quite well, provided individual modules capacities match and it is well balanced, with mostly no detectable difference when compared to a 6500 mAh battery. This statement was made in relation to new modules in both cases. Age complicates the model.
     
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    Middle cells run usually hotter, so they degrade quicker then outer ones. Many folks suggest changing the order of cells while rebuilding the battery.
     
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    Placing the battery temperature sensors more to the center might help to keep those batteries at lower temperatures.
     
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    Interesting thoughts! I graphed a chart of each module and got kind of a "W" pattern, but with the middle hump still lower than the edges. The edge where air comes in is also better than the edge near the contactors and other circuitry.

    I'm definitely rearranging the modules, putting the better ones closer to the middle part where they were the worst and the worst cells near the edges. I'm also going to replace three all together so that there's not more than a 20% difference between the best and worse modules, granted the modules that come in be as good as the rest. I'll try putting the edge sensors closer to the middle instead of right on each edge.
     
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    Good, by placing the sensors more the to middle the battery will most likely have a longer life.

    Also what about the front damage of the car, and the hood? still not fixed?
     
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    Nope, not yet. I was thinking of buying new parts, but I think I'm going to take a look at some close by junk yards. There's one that specializes in Toyotas only. Maybe I'll see if they have a catalytic converter for a decent price while I'm at it.
     
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    I see, good. Please post pictures of how the car looks after all the fixes.
     
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    Any junk yards with Prius Body Parts in Colorado, Eastern Utah or Northern New Mexico?
    Any reason not to use dielectric grease on bus bars and nuts?


    Well, I've asked around at the nearest by junk yards (within 2 hours) to see if they have any Prius body parts and so far no luck.

    I'm also putting the HV battery back together. I see lots of corrosion on the bus bars and nuts and intend to clean that up or replace nuts. Any reason not to put this back together with dielectric grease? I'm also going to get a small torque wrench to make sure I do it the right way.
     
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    If I were going to put anything there, I would think about an electrically conductive grease, something like Motorcraft XG-12 or so.

    A dielectric is something that doesn't conduct, and not what you would want there.
     
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    Yes, I was under the impression that dielectric grease does not conduct, the idea being that it is applied to the outside as best as possible, and that any that gets on the contact area should, theoretically squeeze out.

    The non-conducting nature keeps the outside protected from corrosion, or at least in theory, or as I have been told. Hence why it's great stuff for 12V battery terminals since it keeps them from corroding.

    I'm just curious if there's some sort of protecting coating that I'm removing by scrubbing these bus bars down that would need to be replaced.
     
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    I imagine just about anything that keeps the oxygen away would help with the corrosion. People have good results using conductive grease on things they would like to conduct. It's what I use on battery terminals, if I grease them.

    The one use I've seen for dielectric grease recommended in shop manuals is under spark plug boots. It will keep the boot from sticking to the plug insulator, without leaking the spark voltage to ground. And there, if any gets between the wire and the plug terminal and isn't completely squeezed out, well, that isn't much of an obstacle to 15,000 or 20,000 volts of spark impulse.
     
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    Thanks @ChapmanF ! I think I'll just go ahead and put it together as is then. I don't think I'll get another 15 years out of this particular battery, so I'm thinking now that there's no need to make it future proof. I cleaned up the buss bars and the nuts and got everything nice and shiney and the bus bars popped back into the orange strips. I just logged on to confirm 48 inch pounds of torque for the nuts. Time to put on the HV gloves I got and start assmebling!
     
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    You can clean the bus bars with vinegar, maybe soak them on it and the corrosion will be gone the next day i think.
     
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    If I were to add any kind of anti-oxidation barrier, I'd apply it sparingly by brush after assembly.
     
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    Well shoot! :(

    I got the battery back in and bolted down and connected and covers put on... So I hooked up the 12V and tried starting the car...

    Big red triangle showed up immediately and it didn't start.

    And I'm in a pickle because my phone updated to Android 11 and now Torque won't work so I can't figure out what the codes are. I have no idea what I did wrong. I carefully rechecked ever connection outside of the module area and couldn't find anything wrong. And I had rechecked the module bus bars with a torque wrench before putting the cover back on. I guess I'll have to take the cover off and see if one of the modules is at the wrong voltage or something. That's all I can think of.

    On a side note, when I connect the 12V ground wire I see a bit more sparking than usual. Maybe it's just an interior light on, but I thought I had all those turned off.
     
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    I think that once the hybrid battery is replaced the codes need to be cleaned before the car can turn on, not sure since i have never done it.

    Did you charged the modules before putting them back in? and the orange service plug, you place it in place?
     
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    Thanks!

    Oh man! I can't believe I was so negligent! I forgot to plug in the orange safetly plug. I put it back on, but now it still won't start. I wonder if I fried something by doing that. Or if I'm that forgetful, if there's something else. And I have no way of checking the codes right now!

    As far as charging modules, yes, they were all at about 7.9V when I put the cover on yesterday.

    I have no way of clearing codes right now other than attempting to by shorting the car's 12V positive to ground with the battery removed.

    I guess my next step is to research if anyone else has had this same problem and what they did to fix it and if I can downgrade back to Android 10, or get something with any older version of Android that works with Torque, and try to read/erase codes.

    I'm feeling kind of stupid right now.

    Edit: GOT IT WORKING!

    I didn't have the plug pushed down correctly. The car started up and no red triangle yet. I'm going to let it idle a little as I bolt everything back into place, then take it for a test drive and see what happens.
     
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    Nice, good to know it is working now. And yeah placing the orange service plug on its original place is a steep that can be forget quite easy.
    In Autozone i think you can get a OBDII scanner for a decent price. Please update us on how is it going so far.

    No reason to feel stupid, practice makes the master, at least your mistake was not as bad as mine, when i bought my Prius C, i thought that the hood was misaligned because when closed in the front there was a big gap, so i bought a rubber hammer and tried to fix it, just to later find out that the 2 rubber things that are on the corners where the hood latches where way too up, which caused them to not let the hood latch in the correct position. I ended up bending a perfectly fine hood, i took it for a fix but it won't look the same never again, you can still see the misalignment if you really look for it.
     
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    I think we've all done things like that.

    But in a lot of jobs I've worked in I've learned that even if these kind of things matter to me, no one else will even notice unless I tell them and they go look for it.
     
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    Yeah you are right, i will just have to live with it now, but now i know, to look more and to think better before taking action.
     
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