300,000 flee violence in Iraq, 60 more dead bodies today

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Oct 10 2006, 10:05 AM) [snapback]330673[/snapback]</div>

Nobody has any smartass remarks about that, do they?

Dead is dead.

"Stay the course!"

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Oct 10 2006, 01:46 PM) [snapback]330754[/snapback]</div>

Cheney's busy coming up with new coordinates for the search for WMDs.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Oct 10 2006, 02:46 PM) [snapback]330754[/snapback]</div>

I'm afraid you underestimate NeoCons. The smart ones never believed that Democracy for Iraq BS, it was just noise to cover up their prior BS regarding WMD. Now the message is "If we leave now, things will be worse", so the democracy message is abandoned.

The only real idea is simple: they want US military calling the shots in every country that matters geo-politicaly to the US, unless allegiance can be counted on. The rest is just propaganda.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Oct 10 2006, 01:05 PM) [snapback]330673[/snapback]</div>

I am quite surpised you did not post the latest report of 650,000 Iraqi's being killed since the start of the Iraq War. Why not?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Oct 12 2006, 08:41 AM) [snapback]331648[/snapback]</div>

Because that report has been put into question. It was made by interviewing a subset of the population, then extrapolating the results to the rest of the population. We really have no way of knowing how many civilians have been killed. The Iraq Body Count of over 40,000 is based on AP reports, and is surely a gross underestimate since it is likely that the vast majority of deaths are not reported, but it is what I use since at least it is based on something known, not an extrapolation. And it's bad enough! (Other estimates I've heard are in the 100,000-200,000 range, which I suspect is closer to the "truth" than the other 2 extremes.)

 

I rather see this happening in Iraq than in this country.

We're all know it.. if we're not over there, they be over here. It ain't be very pretty here, is it?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dragonfly @ Oct 12 2006, 10:31 AM) [snapback]331671[/snapback]</div>

How do you know which one to believe. The IBC counts actual bodies from morgue reports - how can that be that far off? Also, the deaths include insurgents and terrorists too - not just civilians. Either way it is terrible that so many are loosing their lives - at least the volume of the death rate is lower than with saddam and we are able to get a "clearer" picture of the # of deaths since his demise.

Isn't it a shame that report made all the headlines too? I am sure there are those that are believing hook, line and sinker.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Oct 12 2006, 10:19 AM) [snapback]331705[/snapback]</div>

No they don't. They use media reports. You just make stuff up, don't you?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dragonfly @ Oct 12 2006, 11:31 AM) [snapback]331715[/snapback]</div>

U r way to smart for me.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ditto @ Oct 12 2006, 09:42 AM) [snapback]331677[/snapback]</div>

This is as crazy as the "Domino Theory" during Vietnam war, which said that if we got out, communists would take ove the rest of Asia and then Europe and then the world. Nobody admitted that it was a civil war then either. If they were on the verge of coming over here, maybe we would follow the constitution and have Congress declare a war and have all of the American people get invilved and make sacrifices, buy war bonds, ration food and gas, like we did in the last Declared war, WW2. We never declared a war in Korea, never won it and the same goes for everything after that. Sorry, just had to vent.

 

Junior had the right idea when he went AWOL from the guard. Now if he would only go AWOL again the world would be a better and safer place. BTW those aren't MY tax dollars at work, they are the tax dollars of YOUR CHILDREN. Goddamn open checkbook republicans.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ditto @ Oct 12 2006, 09:42 AM) [snapback]331677[/snapback]</div>

How many Iraqi lives would you trade for one American life? WWJD?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(pcflorida @ Oct 12 2006, 11:51 AM) [snapback]331728[/snapback]</div>

Dont be sorry. Explain to me the killing fields in cambodia following Congress stopping the funding of the vietnam war please.

i think they were over here already - at least in my opinion 9/11 was them coming over here and then there was WTC I in 1993 - them too over here.

I agree with you in that we should increase force levels by around 150 to 200,000 troops and do the war in iraq correctly - overwhelming force.

We lost korea? I think they faired a lot better than south vietnam which you could argue was a loss in a sense although their adopting of capitalism and their want for relations and trade with the US could be argued as winning the war and losing the battle.

Gulf War 1 - was a classic victory.

Whatever. Kumbaya

hope you vented well.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Oct 12 2006, 11:12 AM) [snapback]331742[/snapback]</div>

The North Vietnam Army and Cambodian communists were already in Cambodia during the war ( remember the bombings?) We didn't loss Korea, we signed a cease fire, so we can be in a shooting " police action" again. The South Koreans are doing better if the North doesn't decide to cross the border again, or do a Nuclear test on them. If we won Gulf War 1, why did we have to go back in to Iraq. If we would have kept going then, maybe it would have been one, but we didn't even stop Saddam from gassing his own people, the Kurds or the Shiha. Winning a quick battle, and saying mission accomplished is a lot different than being able to win a gorrila war. It is really hard to defeat an enemy when they don't care if they die, I agree, it take overwhelming force and full commitment. Anyway, good vent, Kumbaya to you too.

 

We've already won Bush War II. The president said, "Mission Accomplished."

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Oct 12 2006, 11:12 AM) [snapback]331742[/snapback]</div>

Whatever!