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AC diagnosis steps and procedures. Find a leak + testing

Discussion in 'Generation 1 Prius Discussion' started by lech auto air conditionin, Aug 27, 2020.

  1. lech auto air conditionin

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    Video one performed a visual inspection
    confirm customers complain no cooling
    Use electronic refrigerant leak detector to find leak at evaporator



    Second video operating vehicle as arrived with the state of charge of 3.6 ounces inside to confirm operation complaints of Poor cooling performance. Add a trace line UV dye to aid in finding leaks in the future or anything big enough and obvious immediately if applicable.



    Third video performing refrigerant recovery in preparation to do complete vacuum and recharge for the next video showing operation pressures and temperatures with a full factory charge of 550 g by weight



    Fourth video system fully recharged with 550 g R134.
    notating and showing pressures and temperatures of vehicle operating with the proper charge to perform a fully functional test on the compressor the expansion valve and all controls door flaps heating and cooling mode.

     
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    Hail to the King


    Yes, we all know that true A/C diag is complicated, involves special tools, and expertise. You might as well post an ad instead.

    But, uh. Yeah. That's what it is. Surreptitiously.
     
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    Hey, I wish this guy lived near me! But he's evidently in California. My '02 in PA could use a competent A/C person!
     
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    You have competent A/C techs near you. Just look and ask around. But you don't want generic automotive shops who will all say that they do A/C because they own gauges and such. Just look for locally owned specialty shops.

    It's not magic that only some elite few possess. It's just tools, training, and experience, and you can find it near you.
     
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    I have not advertised in 30 years and when I did it was only for 2 1/2 months and then I pulled my phone number out of the Yellow Pages took down all my signs stop passing out business cards had too much work.

    Yes there are competent technicians at a few small private shops stay away from the dealerships.
    When I started in my own business 30 years ago there was literally 30 air conditioning and radiator specialty shops from San Francisco down our peninsula that only specialized in heating and air-conditioning. Jump to 2020 there is only one left.
    The one thing I notice about a decade ago is air conditioning specialty shops turning away hybrid vehicles after they’ve made a few very expensive mistakes and decided not to work on hybrids.
     
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    Ad-wise, I was more talking about hyping the Youtube videos, though they don't have ads so I'd imaginee I'm wrong there.

    The truth is probably obvious which is that I was just being snippy. I started a thread a while back for my '03 looking for help interpreting what was going on w/ my A/C system and you posted a Youtube video in it about how critical charge levels were which wasn't relevant to my situation. (It was one of those long and winding threads, so I don't blame anyone for not reading through it all). So then I saw this post and just thought "how out of the blue. This guy just likes to post his youtube videos for no apparent reason..."

    But I was just gumpy and it was out of line, so the biggest reason I'm replying is to say that and to apologize for being snippy. No call for that. I should have just said thanks for freely sharing your expertise. So thanks, and sorry for being snippy.

    (My short story was just that after working fine for the almost 2 yrs since I bought it the A/C stopped cooling. No error codes. Clutch kicks on and off as commanded by the A/C on/off switch - and stays on if left on. There's no low pressure kick-off of the compressor clutch or quick cycling. It just keeps running - and it's quiet. No obvious clanking metal in there. But the pressures - hi/low change almost not at all. So there's no evidence of low charge, and no refrigerant was ever added.)
     
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    It’s OK I completely understand no need to apologize.

    I just see a lot of people having problem trying to figure out the Prius air conditioning systems and a lot of false information about pressures and temperatures. A lot of rule of thumb information being passed around that is not set in stone when it comes to the sensors and a computer taking over and changing the pressures and temperatures at will that do not correlate with the old fashion compressor Systems that just ran off a simple single pressure switch or a simple single thermostat sensor.

    So I try to post as many videos as possible showing different scenarios in different operating conditions how widely the pressures differ from one vehicle to another.

    I have one video posted showing 420 or 440 psi pressure. And just by adding or subtracting the amount of refrigerant that fills one refrigerant hose on the gauge set able to drop it by nearly 100 psi that’s how sensitive the system is.

    I have another video of my own Prius driving down the street with wireless pressure gauges on the ports while monitoring the pressures and temperatures while driving and my high side pressure dropped as low as 66 psi and that is considered normal and good under those operating conditions.

    I’m just trying to get the information out there if people see enough of my videos just on Prius they will come to realize there is no one set rule of thumb when trying to fill them up with little cans of refrigerant.
    It’s sad seeing customers come in with damage compressors because they followed some bad advice that just works sometimes for some people.
     
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    Well, you noted the decline of true auto HVAC shops around where you are. I have only one local (and legendary) auto HVAC place in my area (near Charlottesville, Va area) and I have used them when I've had a vehicle worth the cost of fixing things right. But I don't even know if they do the hybrids or have turned them away. Other than that I have one local place that specializes in Prius, but do they have a real A/C tech? Who knows? Obviously they'll say they do. And "word of mouth" can easily give me people who were thrilled that their system worked again after a refrigerant charge - even though low refrigerant is just a symptom of a problem. So that won't help

    So LOL. If it's as complex as you say (i.e. more complex than most) then I can't trust anybody. My current solution since I don't have the time or the money? Fall is right around the corner. And winter after that, and heat isn't a problem. Then a nice spring. I've got 6 mos. And when summer hits, it just assures me that if anyone is going to replace parts on my A/C system, the I will be the one to do it. This is how I got started working on cars to start. I seriously can't find people who will take as much care with my stuff as I will. So even when I don't know what I'm doing to start, I figure it out. Problem is that I can't afford all of the gadgets...
     
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    good quality UV dye must have the right UV light or the shop is just waisted the customers time and money not finding the leak.

    There are 4 or five different UV LIGHT spectrum wave length. 95%+ of shops only buy one of them.
    Then why are they waisting waving around a UV light doing nothing no hope to find a leak even if it was sitting right in front of them.