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electrical system shutting off intermittantly after replacement hybrid battery added

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Nance459, Feb 11, 2021.

  1. Nance459

    Nance459 Junior Member

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    Sorry, similar to last , but different....
    Last week had hybrid battery installed, ever since I have an intermittant issue where the electrical shuts down completely, no power door locks, nothing on display at all, not even the "flashing car" displayed or open door, all preset radio stations gone, even gas gage incorrect (we just filled it two days ago and maybe has 80 miles, now flashing???)... All the information on the display is reset when it comes back on. The first five times it seemed to reset itself when we went to open hatch, not today. I used the key to unlock driverside door and manually unlocked the rear passanger door, as soon as my weight hit the area above the hybrid battery I heard it come back on. The first time i got out and tried to turn the car on and it shut down again, the second time it stayed on. BTW I tested the 12 v and it was @12.44, so not dead. I never had any issues like this until the work was done last week. Last week I wondered if the obd2 left in could have caused it, but realize now that since it hasn't been in the car since last Saturday, and driven daily since. I need help figuring out how to fix it. The place that put the battery in kept saying it was something wrong with the Key...
     
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    Was that 12.44v at the jump points under the front hood?

    Be sure to check the battery terminals and cables for tightness, etc.

    And check the other end of the ground strap where it connects to the body, sometimes it can get rusty and make a poor connection.
     
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    I checked the battery check at terminals, cables as tight as can be, ground also. I just went back to the oem cables in May, when I replaced the battery for the second time, (I'd bought a kit to change to regular battery terminals on the first change with optima battery kit from internet). They had been stored inside my toolbox. Should I test elsewhere? would that help me diagnose?
     
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    100% agree that your problem is in the 12V supply, and loose cables are the number 1 culprit. You say you've checked the connection and the cables [are] as tight as can be. M question is, did you undo the post clamp, pry it wider open (with a large flat-blade screwdriver, or similar), press the clamp on right down until it was touching the very bottom of the post, and then tighten the clamp back up snuggly tight? It is best to use a closed-end box wrench or a socket so as not to accidentally pry the clamp up as you tighten.

    You need to check both the positive and negative terminals as well as where the negative connects to the car body (on the rear panel).
     
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    Without a doubt, this is a 12v supply problem. All the terminal clamps and ground connection should be verified.
    Don't forget to check the main plug where it inserts into the (+) terminal fusible link assembly. If it's not fully inserted it will cause intermittent problems. Inside that assembly, the fusible link is secured in place using small bolts. If either of those are loose, it will also cause intermittent problems.
     
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    Thanks, will do, i just find it strange that battery that had been installed in May 2020 and had no issues until someone else worked on my car would all of a sudden start having issues after they worked on it. Did they remove the cables to add in the Hybrid battery and not reinstall them correctly? I will remove and reinstall completely today.
    I am most suspicious because the way the work order happened, we left it off to diagnose and see if they could recondition the batteries. We then I waited all day and then finally called, someone called back a few minutes before closing and told me that they just happened to have a hybrid battery that someone else changed their mind about, and that I could buy it and pay an additional $200 to extend the warranty on it, it was too late to pick up the car as they were leaving for the weekend. Next, I got a long email after closing with a long discussion about batteries now they actually had a 3 year warranty and assurances that if I used them it would be a worry free transaction and if I didn't want to install them that we donate the car. His words, "Alas, if you decide not to repair the car we can arrange to donate it to our ASCCA state education fund to help up and coming mechanics learn the trade. I’m the local president so this is dear to my heart." So, we sent an email because we felt that he had not addressed other questions about the diagnosis and why if he jumped to us being able donate it, it felt wrong. Why would that even be brought up at this point? Also, the quote he sent added back in the diagnosis fee, (which he promised to remove) and a new fee for shipping that hadn’t been discussed. I reminded him that we asked to diagnose the car and advise us of any other issues that might need to be done and quotes before we would install the battery. When we talked on Monday he assured us that it had passed all diagnostics and we agreed to just put the battery in since it was there already. The next day we got a call and were told that the battery was installed and now they found a possible leak and should they proceed to diagnose it, it sounded like it was a hidden area and agreed. He then sent pictures and when I looked at them and realized where the leak was found, it was not hidden behind the batteries, but in the trunk, I declined knowing that a hydration pack had leaked there before. My point is that that should have been addressed before installation, not after! So, when we get the car back and start having a new issue, it just feels wrong.
     
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    I can understand how you feel. It's unfortunate that things happen like that. Sounds like it could have been handled better.

    Some people (including myself) disconnect the 12v battery while working on HV battery packs. I usually do it right at the 10mm bolt that clamps the (-) cable to the car body. Anytime the 12v battery is disconnected, the car will lose all radio presets, the fuel gauge will go to one blinking dot until it recalibrates itself and the driver window 'auto up & down' feature will disable until it is reset.

    When the above items occur randomly or frequently, it's a good indication of an intermittent loss of 12v power. Normally due to a loose connection. The fuel gauge can take 2 minutes or 2 hours to recalibrate itself. The window feature can be reset by raising the window to the full up position and then continuing to hold the button in the raise position for 5 more seconds.
     
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    Thanks so much, heading out to try after warms up a bit. I plan on cleaning terminals and starting fresh from the beginning. will update, at this point car won't even start at all so praying it works.
     
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    Ok, wish me luck, just finished, even took off positive connector to clean between it, it was wierd, because it appeared to have a black tar like substance there? The gas gauge finally reset after driving it a bit. there was bolt missing to the assembly that holds the positive to the battery tie down, any ideas on what mm and thread? can't find it anywhere and didn't want to pull battery completely out.
     
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    The fusible link housing/assembly that attaches to the (+) terminal has a small hole that lines up with a small hole in the battery mount crossbar. If this is the spot you are asking about, it actually should have a plastic rivet. Something similar to this:

    Unique Bargains 50 Pcs Black Plastic Rivets Retainers Door Fender Clips Fastener for Car - Walmart.com - Walmart.com

    I have no idea if that is the correct one, just using the photo as an example.
     
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    Thanks!!! I know I have some somewhere after replacing window on my Escape and buying them to replace broken ones, hopefully will fit!
     
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    The good news is that it's not a crisis. I think 90% of the cars I've worked on have that rivet missing. I guess the first time anyone actually removes the battery that piece gets popped out and is sucked into a black hole, never to be seen again...….
     
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    Awesome, but I did find something, just to make sure! Thanks again for all the help!
     
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    Update, hoping I'm not jinxing myself, but knock on wood, the car has worked flawlessly since I worked on it last Friday. I appreciate all that helped me.
     
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