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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by TomLaNa, Mar 12, 2021.

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    Just to finish this up, I purchased the Prolong charger and the light bulb battery discharger. Used the charger for 24 hours and it when as high as 237 volts but I didn't use the discharger. Went for a ride today and the gas mileage has made a significant improvement so will see how it works by the end of the first tank of gas. At this point, I will not use the discharger until something changes.
     
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    One round of top balancing will show an improvement but will be short-lived, like 2 - 3 months.

    Discharging (bottom balancing) is what gives the longer-term benefit as it is where the lost capacity is recovered.

    I'd give the full charge/discharge x3 followed by a final charge a go when you see the HV battery back to where it was in a couple of months time when the ambient temps are lower.
     
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    Should there be some down time between each cycle of charging and discharging? Since charging the gas mileage hasn't significantly improved, currently 33mpg in a little over 100 miles.
     
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    The 5 - 10 min it takes to change over from charging to discharging and vice versa should be plenty.

    You definitely do not want much downtime (i. e. days/weeks) at the turnaround from discharging to charging. If you are taking a break always charge up the battery and leave it/use it then. If you leave it for a while, always start with a full charge again.
     
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    I exchanged the light bulb charger for the automatic charger and have started with a full charge before moving to the discharge device. I didn't see it on the Prolong website but should the regular battery be disconnected before this process begins?
     
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    HA does say to disconnect the 12V battery (or at least they used to) but does not say for what reason. Two I can think of are 1) it will stop the battery discharging and 2) it will reset all the ECUs including the battery ECU.

    Personally, I do not disconnect mine, but I do put my 12V battery charger on it for the duration of the reconditioning exercise to mitigate reason 1 above.

    As for reason 2 above, I don't want everything to be reset. But that's just me.
     
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    I just got back to read your response, seems my regular battery has been drained during this process. Guess I'll try to revive it while the hybrid battery is now being charged for the last phase of this process.
     
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    I always charged the 12 volt at the same time I charged my battery with prolong.
    Hatch and doors open during prolong.

    I had the light bulb discharger worked perfect. Used it 3 times. Battery lasted 3 years.
    Sold it on eBay for more than I paid for it. Bidding was crazy on it just like when I sold my cat.
    I should have waited a few months on the cat sake there going for $1900 on eBay now I only got $1350 for mine 6 months ago,
    I highly encourage you to sell your cat now. I bought one on Amazon for $129 and cost $100 to have mine removed and the new one installed and welded,
    Car actually runs better and now 6 months later no codes.

    as far as using Deoxit on battery connections that’s a good product I use it often but that will just run off those connections you want to use grease it will stay where you put it. I use Redline CV2 grease.
    I put it in every electrical connector I run into on the car and I used it on my new Toaster hybrid battery install.

    NoOx is good too. Redline makes less of a mess and is bright moly red.
     
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    Redline CV2 is also the best gun grease I have ever used. My Sigs love it.

    google it.
     
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    I'll review the condition of those bolts on the cells the next time I'm in there which will probably be in the fall.

    Anyway, finished the de-charging/charging process and it finally settled at 249 volts after 24 hours of charging. Hopefully the mileage will go up now and I'll do another charge in August.
     
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    Hmm, 249 V after 24 hours, that's high and quick. Not hopeful for your battery lasting too much longer. If you have Dr. Prius or Hybrid Assistant monitor the individual blocks and see what the block voltages look like.
     
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    I will see what the individual blocks say with Dr.Prius. Why do you think it is problem that it charged to 249 in 24 hours?
     
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    The top voltage we see normally see is 241 - 242 V and it usually takes 32 - 40 hours to get to the point where the voltage has plateaued and maintains the same voltage for 4 - 6 hours.

    In general, reaching high voltages and/or short charging times are an indication that all may not be well with some modules.

    Having said that, the image in post #53 looks pretty good. Only a difference of 0.12 V between highest and lowest with an 8 A draw.
     
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    Should I do another charge or what do you recommend?
     
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    How many cycles of charge/discharge have you don already? If you have done three cycles then drive it for a bit and monitor the block voltages. Decide then if you want to tinker some more.

    If the voltage difference gets greater, then it is likely more cycles won't help much. You're heading for module rteplacements, particularly if it is the same modules going low on discharge and high on charge.
     
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    The battery has gone through one complete cycle of charging and dis-charging. I assume the #7 & #11 modules are the issue? Is it just a question of replacing those two modules?
     
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    I'd do the complete three cycles then drive the car and monitor. Are you following the HA process? Especially the target voltages of each discharge – 134 V, 101 V, and 84 V?
    I'm not saying there is any issue especially based on just one screenshot. The way Dr. Prius graphs the voltages (of which I'm not a fan) exaggerates the difference. To keep it in perspective you have one-tenth of a volt difference between your highest and your lowest blocks. This is well within spec.

    See how it looks after another two cycles and remember to finish with a final full (unhurried) charge. It will be interesting to see what the voltage tops out at in the successive charges.

    This is a process that shouldn't be hurried.
     
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    Let me re-phrase that charging/discharging history, the battery was discharged at the 134V,101V and 84V with a final charge that brought it up to the 249volts.

    "Are you following the HA process?" Yes.

    I don't know if this makes any difference but when those discharges happened, I wasn't always there (during the night) when they reached those levels but the discharge machine did it's job and stopped the process. Then I charged it up until it leveled out and did the next discharge.

    Would it be wise to wait a month? and do the whole process again?
     
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    Ok, I misunderstood so that is good then.
    Shouldn't make a difference, sounds good.
    Yes, it would be wise to wait but I would just monitor and do the next recondition in 12 - 18 months unless the car starts showing the signs of a weakening battery. Remember less is more.
     
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