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Why might the ICE continue running for ~5+ minutes while stopped?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by SB6, Jul 2, 2021.

  1. SB6

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    I've sort of made a habit of waiting, when possible, for the ICE to shut off before turning off the car, to avoid rough starts on the next startup. However, I've noticed that sometimes, I think after short (5 - 10 minutes), city drives, my ICE will continue running for over 5 (5 - 10? Maybe more?) minutes with the car parked and on, even though the HSI display shows the battery at only a couple bars below full. I think I actually noticed the amount of bars going down and back up while this occurs.

    Any idea why this occurs, or if it might indicate an issue? I did a quick search and read that this might indicate that the battery cells are unbalanced, and the car is trying to rebalance them?

    Could it have something to do with heat? I live in Texas, so it gets pretty hot here.

    Edit: I'm currently sitting in my car experiencing this. It's been doing this for the past 15ish minutes now... The battery has been alternating between 4-6 bars, I think. There's nothing on, no AC, headlights, radio, etc that could be drawing from either battery, other the car itself being on. There's a FiiO BTR3 Bluetooth receiver plugged into the aux and a car charger, but that's about it. It's 93° F and sunny outside right now, in case that's related.
     
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    Mine has done this to me a couple of times.

    (2017 Gen 4, 70K miles)

    I assumed it was because I'd been using the A/C pretty heavily (also in Texas!) and only a 7 or 8 minute ride in to work.

    This morning it was raining pretty heavily, so I was using lights, wipers, defroster in addition to A/C.

    I don't like to shut off the ICE if it's running, but it takes at most a minute or three of waiting in my case.

    I'm thinking it does this because I'm done with my "highway" driving when I get into town, and I creep around pretty slowly staying in EV mode - so it probably draws the traction battery down far enough that it feels the need to charge it up again.


    It doesn't do this on the way home - which is high-speed drive to the driveway and only a minute of EV to pull in and park.

    Interesting to hear what others say.....
     
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    Check or have your 12 V checked.

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    I’ve had engine run-on a few times, usually after a longish drive, on hot day. Just a matter of a minute or two. If engine is fully warmed I wouldn’t worry about shutting down whenever.
     
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    I've had it be a couple minutes before, but this time it was nearing 20 minutes, so I ended up just shutting it off so I could go inside.

    This was after a 5ish minute drive with the AC on auto set to 78° F with outside temperature being 93° F, but essentially on full blast. Turned AC off when I parked, but as mentioned, engine kept running
     
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    Prius takes care of the 12 V if it's drained when I'm programming without a charger it will deplete the HV as soon as I start. You have AC on but the OP said off. (That's suffering in 93 degree heat for 15+ mins). How long is your engine running when you stop?

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    This was experience today. AC was on auto, see to 78° F, but outside temp was 93°, so the AC was essentially on full blast for about 5 minutes before I turned it off and parked.

    This was my thought as well, except when it happens for whole minutes (today nearly 20 minutes before I gave up and shut it off), the battery indicator shows it being at 4-6 bars, with the car draining it and charging back up 1-2 bars during this process
     
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    My 12V should be fine, it's Toyota Truestart that was replaced under warranty just over a year ago.

    I guess it doesn't hurt to have it checked. Just a bit of a hassle, as I'd have to remove it and take it in. The AutoZone by my house has previously refused to test it when they saw it was a Prius. But later when I brought the battery in myself without telling them anything about what vehicle it was for, they tested it no problem....
     
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    I've had this occur and usually it happens when the HV battery is hotter than normal. It's not as efficient as it should be.

    Another occurrence I've had is when the HV battery terminals have lots of corrosion on them. When it's covered with corrosion, it will take much longer for the engine to shut down at a stop.
     
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    This could be it... I've been meaning to clean at least the battery fan, but I've been too busy...
     
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    for those who think ice is staying on to charge a low 12 bat, I was told the hv bat will charge it up and ice shouldn’t stay on for that. About 3 people replied to my comment when I said ice was charging the 12v bat :LOL:
     
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    Glad they like you to respond. That makes sense. My experience was with Ig-ON but engine-OFF, (READY-OFF).

    (There I go transferring my problem onto others again. ZIPPING up my lips proverbially).

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    If you have a multimeter:

    After driving or charging the battery. Turn off the car and turn on high beams for 30 seconds. Then check the voltage at the battery terminals. (Quite a simple check Toyota prescribes on techinfo.com. I forgot the break points off hand I'm afraid).

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    That does not automatically mean:
    That it was fully charged when installed.
    That the car is keeping it charged.
    That it hasn't gone bad already.

    NOT checking that first can sometimes turn out to be a BIG mistake.

    BUT.....at ~12 years old, I suspect this is an early warning sign of the HV battery getting weak.
    HEAT makes all batteries age faster.
     
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    I think the cause was the heat, as mentioned by some of the replies here. I haven't noticed this happening recently, and it's also been a bit cooler outside.

    Tried this the other day after driving for about 15 - 20 minutes with a couple stops but no power offs in between. I got 12.54V with the high-beams on, and 12.71V after turning them off.

    I used the positive post under the hood and a metal bolt as ground/negative. Not sure if I should've used the actual battery terminals instead.
     
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    I’ve had it stay on in 90+ degree temps in CA. 2012 with 160k. car was definitely already warmed up, (I do the same thing with letting the engine cycle off before shutting power) but in this instance I had A/C working for most of that drive and was in direct sun. I eventually shut the car down… on next startup it didn’t persist. I’ve maybe had it happen twice.
     
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    I’m almost 100% sure that’s a good battery. It should be at the terminals per the manual but due to the length of wire there might be slight less voltage where you measured.

    Even if the engine turned off as long as car stayed in READY it is charging/maintaining the 12 V.

    EDIT-. Those aren't readings in READY are they?
     
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    No, that's with the car off but the high beams on/off