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  1. Scott_K

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    2014 v W/176k. Head gasket failed in April, replaced, then blew the #1 cylinder rod out both sides at the bottom of the engine 2 weeks later.

    Dropped in a JDM engine and all was well for 2 weeks, but kept getting a P0AA6 hybrid system error and i could not switch the power modes, or have cruise control, but my AC worked. Then, 2 weeks later, "poof" it worked one day going to lunch, then warm air ever since Like flipping a switch off.

    Nobody could read the detail code until i did the mini VCI cable and software dance. I have code B1498. and the freeze frame data for the P0AA6 shows .3 volts on the shortwave highest value which i read somewhere is a dead short in the HV wiring.

    I looked over the HV compressor cabling very carefully and did not see any knicks or damage. Now compressor will not even attempt to turn on. I still have refrigerant charge tho.
    I unplugged the HV wire to the compressor and voila the hybrid error went away and my modes and cruise control work.

    My assumption now is the compressor suffered a concussion when the previous engine grenaded, and it died a slow death over that 2 week period it did work.

    I am assuming the compressor is bad but would like to further confirm to make sure I am not missing anything.

    Are there any tests I can do to confirm?
    Should any part of the HV wiring go to chassis ground on the compressor?
    What do I look for with a DMM on the compressor?
    Can Techstream command compressor on?

    Thanks in advance!
     
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    That's the easiest of the questions: no.
     
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    Ok I asked that question incorrectly, was in a hurry earlier, about to get away from work.

    I know the HV wiring does not go to chassis ground in any way (that’s just dumb) but I think the old compressor is leaking ground to its HV wiring, giving me the hybrid system fault. It comes back immediately if I reset it. Unplug the HV cable and no error.

    Is there an insulation test like can be done on regular AC motors to see if that is the real issue?

    I am going to put a DMM on it this evening after we prepare for a lot of rain from Elsa tomorrow and see if I get readings from the compressor HV wiring to the compressor case in any way.
     
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    I didn't think it was dumb; asking that question made me think you were on the right track. I wanted to confirm your guess that there shouldn't be leakage to ground from the high-voltage wiring.

    Yes, the Repair Manual (more info) gives specific instructions on how to check the compressor's wiring-to-ground isolation with a megger, if you need that to be sure of your conclusion. From what you've already observed, maybe you already have a good idea what the megger would show.
     
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    Thanks Chap - I thought about megging it, but only off the car. I don't want any chance of doing an insulation test like that to have any chance of frying something else in the process and making my situation worse. If I do it after the fact I will definitely report my findings here for future reference.
     
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    Well I'm pretty sure the compressor has given up the ghost.
    DMM shows continuity on one side of its HV wire at infinity or no continuity, the other wire reads 1.89 ohms continuity.
     

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    Survived Elsa and had a bunch of boxes delivered today in anticipation of redoing my AC system this weekend. Everything fine except used compressor has a damaged 12V control connector. Like smashed to bits and pins bent over damaged.
    Was like Christmas morning opening boxes and the main attraction gift was broken....contacted seller will see how it plays out but I am probably another week in this NC heat....
     
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    The compressor is very sensitive. When I first bought the prius (which was last yr of Nov) AC worked fine. Parked it for a while until I could go pick up a jdm engine. Engine in, ran fine and fixed a couple loose plugs. I then tested the AC. Didn't work!! I also got the dreaded P0AA6. Research led me to believe that code comes up when a couple things could be the issue and one of them was the ac compressor. Fast forward to this weekend, or Sunday this week, I had already gather all the parts I needed and was ready to install. New Denso compressor (don't ask, just got lucky), condenser and dryer. Went got the proper oil and 2 cans of R134. Followed instructions on the recharge and it states to add freon BEFORE kicking on the compressor, not a problem. MUST HAVE NEW AC GAUGES AND LINES. Why? Because of the difference in the oil!! If any ND-8 oil got mixed in with the ND-11 oil it would damage the compressor. Spending all that money I wasn't going to risk it. Went out and got HF gauges. 1.5hr later I have AC.
     
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    What vacuum pump did you use to evacuate the system before charging? How long did you pull the system down and what was the vacuum reading on your gauge?

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
     
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    Yeah the 12 volt connector atop the compressor could double as a rain gauge. And short/corrode, which is pretty much death sentence for compressor: it’s come up before; the connectors integrated into compressor, hard to repair.

    I’d suspect somewhere in the cars history the engine bay was pressure washed. Maybe multiple times, just before sale?

    If you hang in there with this car, get on the Exhaust Gas Recirculation cleaning if you haven’t already; clogged EGR and head gasket failure are like ham-n-eggs.
     
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    Pulled it for an hr, gauge read -28 I believe.
     
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    did you get it fixed? I wrote up my issues that I came across and posted with pictures if you still need help.
     
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    Nope...still sweating it out
    I used a vac pump from Amazon, worked great. I vacuumed down to 29" and held there with manifold valves closed verifying no leak for an hour. Then I vacuumed pulled an additional 45 minutes. Then added refrigerant can added, purged line, and then opened low side manifold gauge slowly. It only sucked in a partial can and then just stopped.
    I commanded the compressor speed with Techstream and still no dice. I was able to hear it changing speed but the data page shows zero RPM?
    Its like something else in the system isn't letting refrigerant flow.
    Its counter intuitive to everything I read and seen on recharging this system.
    I've done successful AC work on other cars and my truck and I am very proficient with repairs.
    Both gauges read 90 psi and vents blow warm..I have AC codes set that I can find, and doing the dash "auto" plus "recirc" at startup yielded a code 00 or basically nothing amiss.
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    I'm at my wits end...(almost)
     
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    Yep I am well aware of all these issues. When I swapped the engine, I cleaned the EGR and intake, was pretty nasty, and now i have a spare I can clean and swap. The AC connector looked pristine but I did put a small amount of dielectric grease on it to help ward off issues. I had to do same on my aging boat engine connectors.
     
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    I didn't use techstream because I didn't have time to find a reliable source. I followed what the fsm stated, BEFORE starting the compressor allow some refrigerant in, about half a can I think. I then put the car in 'Ready' mode and crank the ac on high and the temps at 69 degrees. BOOM, compressor kicked on. I let the rest fall into place.
     
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    Well FWIW I ended up going to a shop. The car had no codes anywhere, a clean slate. The tech was stumped at first but then went back for more tests and diagnosed the inverter not sending HV to the compressor. I think what happened was my original failed compressor backfed to my inverter and caused it to short somehow. Found used inverter locally and $500 later now I have AC back. Vent temps around 42 degrees.
    I don't understand why the inverter being such a central piece of the hybrid system is not protected or fused somehow.
    Hope this helps someone in the future.
     
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    You mentioned at one point a B1498, which means a communication problem between the A/C amplifier and the circuit inside the inverter that drives the compressor. That might have meant the drive circuit in there was toast, but it can also be something as simple as a dirty contact in the low-voltage communication circuit connections between it and the A/C amp.

    One thing that can often happen, when doing a bigger surgery like an inverter replacement, is a bunch of little things like electrical connections get undone and redone in the process, and whatever the original issue really was, it's resolved by the time the work is complete. Sometimes you just smile and say "next project". :)
     
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    Chap - That would be my 26' dual outboard boat. It is a never ending project lol!
    It's sort of a hybrid too because I have a 100 watt solar panel on the top keeping the 4 battery banks topped off.
    I appreciate all the responses and advice here.
     
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    Your comments tickled some memories- went and did a google search. According to the web, there IS a high voltage fuse in the inverter for the A/C compressor feed on the Gen3. Did your shop check that before condemning the inverter assembly?

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    Oh bother ... that was my first thought, but for some reason I had Gen 2 on the brain, and I was looking in the wrong manual.

    Yeah, the Gen 3 inverter's got that fuse (and it doesn't have the driver circuit, as Gen 2 did; that's built into the compressor in Gen 3).