SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

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See also:

or: Outbreak of SARS-CoV-2 Infections, Including COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Infections, Associated with Large Public Gatherings — Barnstable County, Massachusetts, July 2021 | MMWR

 

danke

according to the last source above...
"The bulk of the infected people did not require hospital care, but among the five that did, four were fully vaccinated."

this is very interesting.

now, my 6th grade math isn't that great, but I think (someone please correct me) that 4/5 means something close to 75% if the people hospitalized were vaxd.

later in the article :
"As of July 29, 882 cases were linked to the Barnstable County cluster, 531 of whom are state residents. The percentage of breakthrough cases remained at 74 percent."
if they still are referring to "breakthrough cases" as the ones that were vaxd but still got such and transmitted it to others... that's interesting


yup, I see it now, my 6th grade math was suspect, again LoL ! I'm skeptical of these numbers. they're illogical. zero protection from the blessed virus does not normally produce 75% hospitalisation rates... but now they're saying that vaxd = 75% chance of hospitalisation. man that's weird. I think there's a reporting/accounting problem here.




anyway, that was the Delta Release Version, I've read in other places that the Lambda Release Version is vax resistant... or at least the latest 3 version of the vax don't effect it. if someone finds an article that shows Lambda Release Version is less virul with xyz vax, please link it so far I haven't read anything that says that.

 

Coworker: I heard that 20 percent of people who are vaccinated get the Delta variant....

Me: That means it's 80% effective, and your chances of significant side effects are roughly 1:1,000,000.....
AND????

 

yuuuuup, the sources are always suspect... either through malice or misalignment. lol

 

I don't think RNA vaccines were made from scratch in six months.

 

There was a long term research project that produced the MRNA approach to vaccines. Once the DNA structure of the Corona 2 virus became available, the technique could be adapted quickly to produce the vaccine. The previous administration accelerated the process by contracting to buy millions of vaccine doses before they existed.

 

At some point you have to "do the math."

Several things can be true at once.

Truth:
During OPs Normal, it is illegal for my government to mandate vaccines, most particularly ones that have not been approved by the FDA. There are relevant pre-Codiv court orders and perhaps a federal law. That's why the Biden administration isn't mandating them, and they will NOT mandate them.
Key words: Ops Normal.
The government CAN mandate vaccines during a period of martial law.

Truth:
The mRNA vaccine or the viral vector kind (J&J) for Covid-19 have been given to, literally, billions of people.
No one knows for certain how many have died FROM the vaccine, but MY research indicates that it's not even a million, which would be roughly 1:1500
No one knows for certain how many people have died FROM Covid-19 but 4,250,000 seems to be a reasonable count out of 200,000,000 cases or roughly 1:50 (1:55? I can't math today....but the trends are still pretty clear.)
If those numbers are a "little off" how much does it change the math?
If those numbers are a LOT off, how much MORE does it change the math?

You can "hope" that you don't get infected, but as we say in the military...."Hope is not a plan."
AND...
Viruses don't care about your feelings.

Truth:
A tin foil hat is a hat often made from one or more sheets of aluminum foil, or a piece of conventional headgear lined with foil, often worn in the belief or hope that it shields the brain from threats such as electromagnetic fields, mind control, and mind reading.
HOWEVER!!!
(comma!)
Aluminum foil doesn't have any tin, and electromagnetic energy doesn't care about your feelings either.
Look up "Faraday cages"

Like I said.
At some point you have to do the math......

Either way?
I'm not buying an N95 mask, staying at home, or carrying around a vaccine card because some people suck at math.

 

Here at the mouse house the edict came down, all salary'ed people MUST get the vaccine w/in the next 50 days. The tech/craft & company's unions are negotiating to try to force them as well. Makes one wonder, will pink slips be in order for those who refuse to comply, without some medical get-out-of-jail note from their doctor? Or do the scofflaws get to sit at home in perpetuity collecting $600.
I will be retiring 2nd week of October, with the last 2½ months being run out on sick & vacation time. Many have come up to me saying you are getting out of here just in time.
The government may not be able to force you to get it, but evidently, based on the size of Dizmaland in-house counsel, they feel private entities can force you just fine.
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i think what is being missed by 6th grade math is that statistically, you can't apply study results to any one cluster.
for instance, to say that a vaccine was 95% effective in trials, does not mean it will be 95% effective for you, or in any one particular infection group.
so if 4 out of 7 people hospitalized from the provincetown cluster were vaccinated, it really has no meaning whatsoever.
we don't know if any had comorbidities for instance.

so someone trying to apply this 6th grade math to an event, as proof that they are being lied to, just falls flat.

 

Some companies are bribing their employees (Walmart) and others are requiring weekly testing or a "medical reason" not to get the shot. Thus far, relatively few people are being forced by fortune 500 companies to be forcibly inoculated.

My libertarian leanings are that 'employment at will' means JUST THAT.
Unless they can prove that they specifically discriminated against you for one of the protected statuses (age, race, religion, etc...) then employers can fire you for any reason....or no reason at all.
Bad breath.
Being ugly.
Replacing you with H1B workers. etc....
They can also fire people for not doing what they're told.

Yeah.
It sucks, but the other side of the coin is that you can LEAVE any time you want to for any reason....or no reason at all.

 

Would be most welcome news, but no peak yet, still climbing. If things pan out here like UK, perhaps another week or so to peak.

Covid in the U.S.: Latest Map and Case Count - The New York Times

GitHub - nytimes/covid-19-data: An ongoing repository of data on coronavirus cases and deaths in the U.S.

 

I go to casinos knowing how to minimize the house advantage but it is called ‘gambling’, not ‘winning.’ Life is a crap shoot and we takes our chances. So COVID-19 is just another game including thinkers and loud mouth, unskilled payers. The choice is yours.

Bob Wilson

 

Force you? Are you a slave, without the option of walking out without getting the vaxx?

See previous comments on "employment at will". California has a variety of exceptions to its "at will" policy, but I don't see how this would fit any of them.

 

This sounds like a good instance where "vote with your pocketbook" may apply. If you feel that strongly about it, you can trump their demand for vaccination by quitting and finding a company that does not care whether you are likely to become diseased or dead. Yeah, you may lose a lot of benefits and pay, but that's life, right?

There's a big difference between being forced and being coerced. When Disney holds you down while you are injected, let us know.

For that matter, if the government ever threatens to hold you down while you are injected, I'd like to hear about it too.

 

faraday cages are actually pretty cool and fun to play with. several years ago my kids had a lot of fun checking out which types of mesh work best for preventing receiver/transmission of low wattage energy. the tinfoil hat thing was hilarious tho, they googled some stuff and came up with lots of cool experiments to do with foil. thankfully, it didn't require buying into any types belief or propaganda to run the tests. definitely fun learning tools, including some of the facepalm conspiracy vidjeehos.

 

at the casino, do you consider yourself a thinker, or the other group ?

 

it's been about 82 years since governments held masses of people down and injected them with things to test on them. given the median age in the USA is about 38 years old, I would assume very few of the people in this car/driving centric forum would have been alive during that period. if it happens again, I'm fairly certain it won't be something that people are able to post on Instagram or Internet forums.

 

I think you are having both a math problem, and a reading comprehension problem.

First, my math suggests that 5 hospitalizations out of the stated 469 total cases is closer to 1% than to 75%. Or among the vaxxed, 4 hospitalizations out of 346 cases is closer to 1% than to 75%.

Second, the report actually prints a specific hospitalization rate:

"Among persons with breakthrough infection, four (1.2%) were hospitalized,"


Remember also that this was a single peculiar local outbreak, a single county over a couple weeks. Five hospitalizations are a very small sample size, allowing quite frequent statistical flukes. We have seen plenty of figures reported for much larger geographic areas over much wider time windows, much larger sample sizes with different results.

 

science doesn't work that way, where it's presumed one or the other result must necessarily be true - or the alternative must necessarily be a pre-determined conclusion.

see above re - predetermined conclusions. For example, a large societal contingent are completely covid asymptomatic, and that was the deadlier original version, whereas the latest is many many times less lethal.
See daily covid death graph:



Since asymptomatic was the fortunate group our entire family was blessed with (except my better ½ & one 77yr old w/sore throat & tired), 'dead' isn't applicable - nor is labeling 'likely' - unless that term is redefined as worse than cold-like symptoms - for more than 50% of those that carry it. Scientific data shows that even the original strain's severity is generally a fraction of those that are either in a compromised health situation or over age 65. Contrary scientific data quickly gets deleted.
This is not to say folks should disrespect those who get (anywhere between concerned to) hysterically afraid. The disciples that preach covid views /one side or the other - would be better off - to at least nod & feign empathy when their reality gospel is preached contrary to ours .... rather than damning them as morons.
Unless this is the pancakes sub forum
PostScript, Red Cross Is Still Loving our family's antibodies - though we were told ~ a year ago, the ones concocted in a beaker are better than nature. ok
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