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SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by tochatihu, Jan 26, 2020.

  1. ETC(SS)

    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    Most large businesses (like mine) already require vaccinations, so the 100+ club…in addition to just being a number that dot.gov simply pulled out of their colon because of base 10 math, is not really as much contested ground….and there are probably going to be options to test out….claim religious exemptions…

    In other word…..not really a mandate at all.
    Ops normal for dot.gov.
    Science is science.
    Math is math.

    The vaccine is either effective or it’s not.
    Using the President’s OWN numbers, there is a 1:1000 chance for you getting a breakout case and a 1:5000 that the case will require treatment in a hospital for a disease that has something like a 1:1,000,000 death rate for the people that avail themselves of the free vaccines.

    Veeeery strange territory to alienate some of his base (real progressives) by forcing medication with a not-a-mandate that virtually guarantees court challenges, and full employment for lawyers.
    Using the same logic, I suppose that privately owned cars should be banned because they represent a “great danger to society” as defined by the current administrations interpretation of Jacobson. Alcohol too, and let’s not forget mentholated tobacco products.
     
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    lots of laws only apply to businesses over a certain amount of employees. i have not seen it challenged constitutionally, but it may have been
     
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    They can always choose a weekly test … with the long swab.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    jerrymildred Senior Member

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    LOL!! Ouch!
    The NFL has decided now on weekly tests for those fully vaccinated and daily tests for the unvaccinated. They didn't say which kind of test.
    NFL, NFLPA agree to COVID-19 protocols for regular season 
     
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  6. tochatihu

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    if worldometerers data holds, US is past peak on new cases and new deaths (already below half 2021 Jan) will follow down soon. Any stronger actions might hasten downward slopes, but as all readers here know, there is resistance against stronger actions. As there have been since the beginning of COVID, and 'freedoms' vs. medical consequences (read narrowly as death) have always decorated US responses.

    The remaining fights are now more local and not entirely driven by masks required and vax required.

    In my view, biggest thing about COVID is that medical responses arose so quickly, forcefully and effectively. This was humans' 'test' and it was moderately well passed, COVID has made a strong shot but is being held to 'acceptable' levels. I have suggested before that COVID can be seen as a rehearsal to future zoonotics hitting harder. This test may not get 'us' an A grade, but at least a strong B. It seems very fortunate to have been allowed this rehearsal, from whatever Gods there are.

    Humans (yeah all of us) remade this planet so that the best virus targets are us. Plenty of punk-a*s*s* viruses hang out in smaller playgrounds, and it is poor planning to presume that none of them will stumble into better homes.

    * I was not allowed to type the bad word coded by a*s*s*
     
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    JHU's graphs today are less optimistic, still showing the current peak in upswing mode:
    upload_2021-9-11_21-31-2.png

    I think that word normally displays here as "nice person", which doesn't fit well for viruses.
     
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    tochatihu Senior Member

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    Right. As JHU is not yet going down, it is not yet right to celebrate. Many other countries remain frisky, so international travel remains difficult. It is fair to say that this virus shot at human lungs does not yet wane.

    I don't know when it will wane, while have-not countries remain have-not on vaccinations.
     
  9. ETC(SS)

    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    Try Punka$$.

    @ peak/past peak....holiday weekends and back to school activities mess with testing.

    Meanwhile....Fall.
    LOTS of American Rules Tackle (i.e. REAL!) football.
    LOTS of pearl clutching and mass spreader event prophecies.

    NOT a lot of face diapers or little white cards here...
    I think they're over it....

    [​IMG]
     
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    US is better than most countries in vax rates, but hits it out of the park on lung freedom. Other countries have their own issues. Taken together they suggest that this virus' tail will be long and thick.
     
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    From watching worldometer's Florida graphs over the past month, I have become a bit suspicious of its recent data, and now regret not keeping copies of it (and JHU too) at regular intervals to see how figures for any given date may be changed or updated.

    I know how some CDC figures work. They are partial results initially, filling in as more jurisdictions file reports. Numbers for any given week or month start low and keep rising, rapidly at first, then slowing down after some weeks, asymptotically reaching a stable figure. "The speed of bureaucracy." Maybe some of that is now showing in worldometers figures too?
     
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    If you write something on PriusChat that gets rendered as "punk-nice person", regular PriusChat readers will generally recognize what you wrote.
     
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    Global vaccination country-wise rates seem central to off ramp from pandemic, so how it that going? Here are two sources

    COVID-19 Vaccination Tracker: Daily Rates, Statistics & Updates
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-021-01122-8

    And others surely also exist. COVAX is World Health Organization's way to extend vaccinations. Trump administration was not in COVAX, but Biden administration is, but it does not seem clear that low-vax-rate countries are rapidly improving.Exports from Vax-manufacturing countries also happen outside COVAX.

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    Our enemy here found its way to human lungs, and then it was game on. It is pure speculation that masks, social distancing, and other aspects of amateur hygiene 'set the stage' for evolved variants that could do more with less.

    It is further speculation that globally deployed vaccinations with a range of efficacy may set the stage for later evolved variants to sneak past current elicited antibodies. Responding to that requires agility on the part of vaccine designers. I think that have that, but I do not at all think that global vax distributions can clearly win a second round. They have not yet clearly won the first round.
     
  14. ETC(SS)

    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    Play stupid games.
    Win stupid prizes....

    What they should do in the US....instead of letting the serum expire on the shelves - or attempt a zany 'not-a-mandate' that's seemingly designed to further entrench the vax-reluctant would be to (1) vaccinate all of the catch-and-release residents as a condition for entry and (2) start a rapid exportation of the surplus juice to under-served nations with a surplus of 'zero shot' residents.

    We even have a bunch of USAF C-17 Globemaster III's that are sitting round waiting for something to do now that we're finished with them in the Stans.....

    Or?
    We could sit around and berate each other while waiting for the X, [​IMG], and [​IMG] flavors of the month to be imported......

    Meanwhile.....depending on which "expert" you listen to (meaning: depending on your political motivations) we're either pre-peak, at peak, or post peak.....with the raw numbers leaning towards 'pre' - as expected, given the politics of the bug, and population densities.

    If we follow where Δ started and imagine how it will spread, this seems likely. Δ kicked off in the SE, but will probably mimic its antecedents in spreading patterns and them folks in the NE, left coast, and flyover country will get in on the fun.
    In in a non-abby world we could glean valuable data from these trends.......
     
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    i think if you look at the states with decent vax numbers and masking policies, the strategy is clearly working to keep hospitalizations and deaths down, which may be the best we can hope for.

    i agree with who on this one (amazingly)
    drop the booster zanyness for healthy people and get as many shots as possible in arms around the world

    and focus on mask production for americans
     
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    3PriusMike Prius owner since 2000, Tesla M3 2018

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    In a sane world each vaccine given would be to maximize the incremental world benefit (fewer infections, fewer hospitalizations, fewer deaths, etc.)
    But instead we are going at warp speed sideways.

    Mike
     
  18. tochatihu

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    I would call that 'rational'. 'Sane' has a different Venn diagram.
     
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    tochatihu Senior Member

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    Funny, I was just thinking about foot in the previous context.

    A sane person might intercede in a fight between two dogs, by sticking a hand in there. Pull one away by the collar and end the fight. But a sane person could get bit on the hand.

    A rational person sticks in a foot, and kicks whichever dog won't back down, Or both of them. Closed-toed shoes preferred.