Reverend Ted Haggard

He admits to buying amphetemines, but claims he threw the drugs away without using them. So why did he buy them? I guess I don't "buy" his story.

 

What a hypocrite...just like the snake oil salesmen of the old west. There is a sucker born every minute...and someone there to take what money they can from them.

 

Actually, I never heard of the guy before today and I'm still not sure why I should care about him.

 

He's just another brick in the wall of why I remain agnostic and firmly convinced that any religion that is derived from human invention is of highly questionable legitimacy.

Vince

 

There's another thread going on on the same topic...if ya'll are interested...

http://priuschat.com/index.php?showtopic=26104&hl=

Happy reading!
B)

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(VinceDee @ Nov 3 2006, 06:59 PM) [snapback]343598[/snapback]</div>

Do you know a religion that is not derived from human invention?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daniel @ Nov 3 2006, 04:00 PM) [snapback]343528[/snapback]</div>

Speaking of admitting things . . . did you “buy†these lines?

"When I was in England, I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and I didn't like it. I didn't inhale and never tried it again."

"I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinskyâ€

“It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is"
–Bill Clinton

This is one of my favorite Clinton lines. The last time he checked? :lol: :lol: :lol:
http://www.gargaro.com/sounds/bc.wav

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sufferin' Prius Envy @ Nov 4 2006, 05:10 PM) [snapback]343942[/snapback]</div>

Is it possible to ever have a thread here without somebody immediately starting a Clinton Bash? Is it imaginable that somebody on the right did something wrong without any Democratic help or influence? I thought "the devil made me do it" was supposed to be a joke. Some people think it is fact. What a boring response to everything! Get some new ideas, ANY ideas. This horse has been whipped to death.

And what dumb logic: just think it through. If Clinton is the most evil thing you can think of, and Haggert is doing the same thing, then Haggert must be pretty bad too.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alnilam @ Nov 4 2006, 06:22 PM) [snapback]343947[/snapback]</div>

I absolutely refuse to say Haggert must be pretty bad too!!!! Just who is this Haggert person you are talking (parroting) about?
His name is Haggard (with a “dâ€)

Why Clinton? Because he is the poster child. But, as you may notice (or maybe not) I wasn't coming to the defense of Haggard . . . I was asking daniel if he 'bought†Clinton's lines. Did he come to Clinton's defense, but is more than happy to ridicule Haggard? :huh:

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sufferin' Prius Envy @ Nov 4 2006, 08:38 PM) [snapback]343948[/snapback]</div>

Seriously dude, you need some new material.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(pogo @ Nov 4 2006, 03:53 PM) [snapback]343915[/snapback]</div>

I probably didn't use the most accurate choice of wording. What I mean to suggest is that it seems to me that one's relationship with whatever they refer to as "God" or a "higher power" or whatever is a very personal relationship. Once you involve other people in the defining of what that relationship is, you've started to introduce the fallibility of human interpretation and invention into the equation. Those other people begin coming up with their own idea of how you should view your relationship to your God, and what rules and practices should apply. Once this happens then you have problems like who gets to interpret the rules, which direction you have to face to pray, why you even have to pray, whether you have to pay your "church", whose "stories" become the acknowledge canon of the religion, etc. The religion then becomes derived more from politics and social struggles than from that very personal relationship that one has with his or her God. I have yet to see an organized religion that doesn't have serious, fundamental flaws that all but ruin it for me.

That's what I meant.

Vince

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sufferin' Prius Envy @ Nov 4 2006, 05:10 PM) [snapback]343942[/snapback]</div>

No. I did not buy those lines. And no, I did not come to Clinton's defense. And although you did not ask the question, I did not vote for Clinton either. I voted against him both times. I've been voting for third-party candidates all my adult life. You should know if you'ce read my posts at all, that I dislike the Democrats almost as much as I dislike the Republicans, and I've rejected the "lesser-of-two-evils" rationale at the ballot box ever since L.B.J. was supposed to be the anti-war candidate in 1964.

However, Haggert is a hate-monger, and that puts him in a whole different, and lower class than Clinton, who was a philanderer and lied about it. I do not condemn Haggert for having sex with a man. In my opinion, he was entirely within his right to have sex with a man. I condemn him for his intolerance of everyone who lived the same lifestyle that he did. And I was amused that he'd expect anybody to believe that he bought drugs without using them.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sufferin' Prius Envy @ Nov 4 2006, 05:38 PM) [snapback]343948[/snapback]</div>

You got me there. I just copied the spelling from the thread title. I'm not one of his people.

Did you take Logic 101? That's what I was trying, not too successfully, to get you to see. You "moral equivalence" people have no real values. If a democrat does something, then a republican gets a free shot at the same thing. Great policy! As for poster children, don't forget the ever-popular Nixon who was actually driven out of office by his own advisers. The Dems couldn't have done it on their own.

I think Daniel answers your question above, but you seem always ready and eager to believe the worst of anybody not in your own little circle. You have an awful lot of anger showing. Were you related to Monica or something? I guess you never saw anybody in the Navy involved in illicit sex. But if you did, I bet you really blew the whistle on them hard. God loves you for your strong, self-righteous moral code!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daniel @ Nov 4 2006, 08:47 PM) [snapback]343982[/snapback]</div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alnilam @ Nov 4 2006, 11:16 PM) [snapback]344025[/snapback]</div>

Once again. Nowhere in my posts do I defend the actions of HaggarD. . . Come on people, his name ends with the letter “d.”

"You "moral equivalence" people have no real values".
I'm not the one who is more than eager to start a FHOP topic or jump on the bandwagon ridiculing a person simply because they at least attempted to lead a moral lifestyle – and, in this instance, I am referring to the drugs, not the sex. I personally don't give a crap what one consenting adult does to another consenting adult in private . . . and, if someone tries to tell me otherwise, I just ignore them. Before this topic, I have never heard of The Rev. Ted Haggard. I can just guess what his stance is on a wide range of issues.

Since you bring it up . . . No, never did I see anybody in the Navy involved in illicit sex. I had more respect for the locals than to try to take advantage of their economic plight by using "Pesonality."
Never did I participate in or watch a game of “smiles.”
Never did I pay a “bar fine.”
Nor had I ever thrown coins into “S*it River” to derive pleasure out of watching some poor kids dive for money while I walked over the bridge between the base and Olongapo.

If that means I have a strong, self-righteous moral code . . . I THANK YOU.

If you had ever done any of those things in the PI . . . that's for you and your conscience to come to grips with, you won't hear me ridiculing you . . . unless you were a coin tosser.

Yes, it is easier to ridicule someone who at least tries, but fails, to live by a moral code than it would be to shame someone who has no morals.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sufferin' Prius Envy @ Nov 5 2006, 02:48 AM) [snapback]344044[/snapback]</div>

I've never so much as sniffed pot, but I don't even care about the private drug use if it doesn't hurt others (which it mostly does, btw.)

What I care about are the captains of morality who take money from people at the same time scaring them with hell-fire and damnation while secretly spending this money on the very things they condemn. If you tell me a Prius is the worst car in the world and it hurts the American economy, and you start a fund to prohibit their import, it's your right. But when I find you have one stashed away at your vacation home, I am going to use the "H" word pretty loudly.

That's my complaint with all these thieves and liars. But you see Clinton as the father of all evil and tell me how depraved he is compared to HaggarD. He has sex and lies about it. That is so much worse than what these other moral perverts condemn and enjoy. Have you mentioned a word about Scooter's lying under oath? Even one?

We must have been in different Navys. I saw guys on TDY do things they didn't write home about. Not evil stuff, but still grounds for divorce in most states. And it wasn't a rarity. I can't imagine how the expression "a girl in every port" came into being, can you?