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  1. gromittoo

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    Good Point about overfilling. After I drain the oil, I fill it with the 4 out of the 5 quarts of Walmart's finest 0W-20. I start the engine for a minute or so, to make sure the oil filter is filled. I then check the level, and it always comes exactly to the one quart low mark. Then I put the remaining quart in. So far, I have not needed to add oil between changes.

    I used to listen to "Car Talk" on NPR. Their opening included:
    "...and don’t turn that dial. If you do, the end of your dipstick will fall off.”
    Perhaps @rjparker turned the "proverbial dial", and the end of his dipstick fell off :)

    I will compare the 2013 and 2017 dipsticks when my wife gets home.
     
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    You will need longer 3/8 inch fuel line hoses. I purchased mine on Amazon, but NAPA might be better, because they sell by the foot.

    These Hillman constant pressure clamps are the ones I used and are the correct size for 3/8 inch fuel line.



    Mendel recommends cutting the PCV hose in half. I just reversed the downward swing of mine upward and connected the PCV valve end to the fuel line hose with a 3/8 inch barb insert coupling. I machined the coupling with PEEK plastic, but Mendel bought and used brass ones.
     
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    Try taking the oil reading with the dipstick from your other v.

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
     
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    The car takes 4.4 quarts when the oil and the filter is changed. I always fill my car to the low mark on the dipstick with four(4) quarts. Since I check my oil every week, I keep it there. Five quarts means the car is overfilled by more than half a quart.

    I'd get a replacement Part number 15301-37010 dipstick from your Toyota dealer.
     
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    I once took the Prius to the dealer with a 5 qt jug of oil. I figured I'd get it back with a bit of oil in it. Nope, not only did they dump all 5 qts in, they also added BG MOA (motor oil additive) as well.

    The oil level was way over on the dipstick. Since I checked the level at home, I drained the extra oil out myself.

    On subsequent dealer oil changes, I supplied 4 qts of oil and I told them I will top it up myself. They still add the BG MOA, so the oil level is right at the top level.

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    That part number matches what I see on part.Conicelli.com for both my 2013 and 2017. The diagram is sketchy, but it looks straight to me. Now I want to compare it with the dipstick of the 2017.

    A thought occurred to me. When I was getting my Uber discounted oil changes at Sears a few years ago, I had one really botched oil change. First, the tech doing the oil change also didn't properly secure the oil change door, and it started scraping the ground the next day. For some reason, I did the next oil change. The Oil filter and drain plugs were put on waaayyy too tight. I had to buy a new 63 sided oil filter wrench, and I needed to use a hammer on the 14mm wrench to get the oil plug loose.

    The next oil change was done at Sears again. This time the store manager came out and told me that the drain plug was stripped. she asked if they could use a temporary plug, and they would have a new oil pan the next time I came in. There would be no extra charge since I was a regular customer, and she assumed it was their fault. I assume that tech had been fired by then. Apparently the temporary plug was only good down to 1/2 inch, which is too big for a 12mm hole. I walked home, and they got a replacement pan for me before the end of the day. That oil pan probably cost them $100 for a $40 oil change.

    My thinking is maybe the bad tech got mixed up, and put the dipstick from another car into my dipstick hole. The dipstick does look OEM for some car. If I am overfilling, I am not doing it by much. I never put more than 5 quarts in, after a pretty thorough drain of the old oil.
     
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    The OEM dipstick is straight with a yellow loop handle.

    The plastic push-in rivets that hold the trailing edge of the black under engine cover are too week to hold the oil change door. The simplest way to keep the door from opening is to attach two rivet nuts to the larger 9mm holes, one on the main cover's trailing edge and one on the oil change door and secure them both with M6x1.0 bolts like I did on my car, after my dad's friend supplied me with a rivet nut tool that he made.

    rivet nuts in frame.jpg oil change door .jpg
     

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    Interesting:

    Top of both dipsticks, side by side: (2013 is the closer one with more dirt on it / 2017 is the further one that is cleaner)
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    Bottom of both dipsticks, side by side: (2013 is the upper one / 2017 s the lower one)

    BottomEndSideBySide2.jpg

    The Dipsticks are different, but equivalent parts! It is hard to get the dipsticks to lay flat for the photo, but the holes do line up, when the tops are forced to line up.
     
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    My dad has often repaired a stripped Toyota oil pan, by drilling out the hole to 1/2 inch for an M14x1.5 tap, the size of thread used for a Honda, Mitsubishi or Mazda drain plug. He'd just tap it out and retrieve all of the cuttings wit a magnet and just install an M14x1.5 Honda drain plug and gasket. The Honda plug even has the same 14mm hex as the original Toyota drain plug.

    I also no longer use those blue plastic coated aluminum drain plug gaskets.

    I use a 111 Viton o-ring like these,



    They provide a much better seal. When correctly tightened, they flatten out to almost the outer diameter of the oil plug's flange, Tightening it past the flange is too tight.

    The o-ring provides a great deal of friction and "spring: to hold it in place like the o-ring on the oil filter. They are often used on the drain plugs of many aircraft oil sumps.
     
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    Still, 5 quarts and overfilling can damage engines, especially in hybrids. Check out this video.



    Pay particular attention to the segment Number 4, nine minutes into the video about overfilling the oil in the engine.
     
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    If you read the whole thread, my problem was determined in post #96, quoted above. It is easy to miss when the problem is solved when the thread gets this long.

    In spite of my insistence that the "Bang" occurred under the car near the Hybrid battery, it must have been an explosion in the Intake manifold, and what I heard was the PCV and EVAP hoses blowing off their nipples on the Intake Manifold.

    Unfortunately, my problem was an issue Toyota knew about. It was fixed in a software patch (part of the TSB) that would have prevented this explosion. I had to pay $600 to have the TSB applied to my ECU, since I have 103,000 miles, which is more than the 80,000 miles to get the patch for free. I am particularly angry at Toyota, since they could have applied this patch when the same Dealer was applying the "Inverter recall" software patch back in June. It would have saved me $1000 and several weekends without my Uber vehicle, to have had the TSB patch applied at the same time.
     
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    I think the dealer is the bad guy
     
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    I anticipated hearing from you sooner, How did you do with Uber and Lyft this weekend? Hope you did well.

    I would not be happy with Toyota as you were not, too.

    Toyota needs a diagnostic checklist that the aircraft industry developed in the 1930's after a test of the original B17 bomber.

    Pilot Checklists Are A Direct Result Of B-17s-Here's The Horrific Reason Why - World War Wings

    Entering the blown off of the evap and PCV hoses should have led directly to the T-SB and the software upgrade.

    Instead, the technician at Toyota performed like the proverbial pig groping for an acorn in the dark.
     
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    I did all of the cleaning and my HG blew.
     
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    Sorry to hear that. You have probably seen the recent thread:

    my 2014 prius v is still going strong after 200k now | PriusChat

    Who got 200k out of their 2014 (pre ring re-design). Very vigilant about 5k Oil changes. IMHO, both 5k Oil Changes and cleaning the IM EGR passages are the minimum required to get a Gen3 engine prior to the ring re-design that far. Cleaning the EGR and Cooler can only help. My EGR cooler at 94K was noticeably harder to blow air through (by mouth) than the clean one I bought on eBay. I have two Prius v's in my corral to take care of, so a spare cooler made sense.

    @Tim Jones, what do you think is different that caused you HG to blow? Just simple bad luck?
     
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    I thought I was going to be one of the lucky ones and skip the HG but at 240,000 it went. I was surprised since I had cleaned everything twice. BUT none of the cleaning was done till I bought the car with high miles. Did cleaning at 190,000.....
    Still runs ok.....burns about 1.5 qt. 6000 miles
    Has 280,000
    Could blow at any second.
    I did 0 to the head.....just gaskets and bolts
     
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    You can't control the past sins of previous owners. You must have inherited a barely hanging on HG. There is no way to see that coming. My 2013 is about to turn 104k. Hope mine can hold out to 240k.
     
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    I figured wrong.......i have 2 other toys and really haven't had any major problems....and they have 750,000 combined miles.....
    and this is the only car I have ever had with blown HG.....
     
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    My wife's 98 neon blew its headgasket at about 50k miles.