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P0A80 advice...

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Technical Discussion' started by Paul E. Highway, Oct 5, 2021.

  1. BiomedO1

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    Use the 6 VDC range as your point of reference. You'll have to make a judgement call on what needs to be replaced. I have a feeling your going to find at least 3 cells that will read out of line with the rest of the batteries you test in your pack. Those will have to be replaced to get rid of your P0A80.

    Here's a decent explanation of how the tester works.


    Good luck guys.....
     
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    Thank you for the tip and the video on using the HF load tester.
    Yes, I have 3 bad blocks according to Toyota. Block #7 is my worst one. It was only in the 12.59-12.42 range when it was tested. Thanks again
     
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    do you have a scan of the report from Toyota we can see?

    The guy in this video was quoted $4200 and went DIY, great overview but he has a lot of tech equipment most people would not not have. A regular multimeter would do.

     
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    Sounds like a good canidate for the Prolong system... :whistle:
    Or replacing all the cells....
     
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    It was more than $4500 installed here, if they have a battery in stock. They didn’t 2 weeks ago.
    Here’s my print out. Blocks #6,7,10 are bad with #7 the worst. I’m not sure if using Prolong will help block #7. But I’m willing to try it.
    I think I have to replace the 3 bad blocks to get the battery to not throw the code. Any thoughts or advice?
     

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    A lot depends on your funds, and how much time you have.
    If money isn't a problem, get new cells from newpriusbatteries.
    The Prolong system is just under $750 with tax and shipping.
    If you decide to replace the 3 cells, you'll still need to "balance" the pack or you'll still get errors.
    So you'll need the Prolong system. Yea yea, I know, there are "other" ways of doing it.
    And it would depend on how much time and space you have....
    But using the Prolong system, the battery is back together, you install the harness and then
    start the system. About 2-3 days depening on how you monitor it.

    If you have the time. Get the Prolong system, run it through the cycles. Then clear the codes.
    And see if it brought the weak/bad cells back. As I said, it should hurt to try it. If it works, great.
    You saved some time and money. If the codes come back, and you have the same problem with the
    3 cells, you know what to do. And then you already have the Prolongs system to balance it out.
    As I said, a lot depends on your funds, and how much time you have.

    You can get new cells from newpriusbatteries for $1600. NEW....



     
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    Aloha,

    No expert here! But I do know software diagnostics can only see the battery in terms of blocks (each block has 2 modules), so you might only have one bad module in each of those bad blocks Toyota found. Only way to confirm is to remove bus bars so modules are not connected to each other and load test individually.

    Have a look at the data from my modules attached below. I don't have any blocks as bad as your 3 bad ones, but I have 5 modules (in yellow) that are bad enough to keep throwing codes, despite doing the Prolong charge/discharge protocol and replacing the bus bars with new nickel plated units. As far as you trying Prolong, this was my logic: can't hurt to try! YMMV!

    I'm going to replace the 5 worst modules, rotate my best modules to the center of the pack, do another Prolong, and see where I stand. If I can get another year or two out of this pack, I'm happy. If not, looking seriously at the New Prius Batteries pack for $1600 plus UPS to Hawaii. Can probably install myself in one day. Was using this car for Uber before pandemic, have a company car and a spare car, no rush, I'm fortunate. Will go back to Uber only when it is super safe.

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    I’m just learning on how to work on the hybrid battery, forced to by the P0A80 code. I wanted Toyota to confirm the bad battery modules for me. Dr Prius app only had #10 as the bad block and I’m not sure how to actually read the data.
    I had planned to do exactly like you Paul, so I am waiting to see how you do. I’m probably going to do the Prolong and see how it does. Then if it doesn’t work, take out the battery and look at the individual modules and connections better.
    A new battery pack from NPB is also a possibility. Not sure how much shipping would be across the pond though. I’m waiting for the holidays before I start anything.
     
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    While you have the cover off to install the harness, you can clean the rear bus bars.
    If they are corrode. It's pretty easy to do them. The front side has the sensors.

     
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    I’ll probably try the Prolong first and see if the battery improves. If it doesn’t, then I will then determine if it’s worthwhile to rebuild my old battery or just get a new one from NPB. I will check all the connections, bus bars, nuts, etc. and clean them too. I’m hoping to have it last a few more years with minimal cost.
     
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    I should have my 5 replacement modules tomorrow and will probably install them over the weekend then do the Prolong balance.

    New Prius Batteries offers free shipping on the mainland but here are the costs for shipping to Hawaii:
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    WHAT???? $300 shipping? That's insane! You might as well order all the cells for that cost...
    There is no way it cost THAT much for shipping....
     
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    Lucky we live Hawaii. It's like that with everything, people mark up shipping like crazy. Actual shipping cost should be the law for us!
     
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    Thanks for the shipping quote. Where/who did you order your replacement modules from?
    And please take some notes to document your procedure and progress since I’m hoping to do the same. Mahalo
     
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    I got my modules from Hybrid Automotive, who make the Prolong. $52 each plus shipping. They ask how many miles on your battery and claim they test and match the modules to your battery. My modules arrived today and I did a quick load test on them and they are very similar to my good modules load test numbers.

    I looked around quite a bit, lots of modules available on Ebay and Amazon from old or wrecked cars, prices run $23-$30, did not get a good vibe on quality control. Fingers crossed!
     
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    I’m hopeful the tested similar modules will rejuvenate your hybrid battery. I have been searching eBay and had the same thoughts about quality control. Looking forward to your success!
     
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    I haven’t had a chance to pull my bad modules out yet, maybe this weekend?

    I was playing with the Car Scanner app (seems to have a lot of potential) and created a dashboard for the 14 battery blocks and their readings. Did a screen shot while driving around the neighborhood. Block #1 is at top left, #2 is below that, and so on.

    Does anyone know how to interpret the squiggly lines?


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    Thanks for the update.
    That looks like a possibly very useful application. I’ll have to check it out.
    Do you know which of your blocks are bad? I would start there and look for other similar patterns, but I actually have no idea how to read those squiggly lines. All the voltages are close together. Maybe you need to check the battery when it’s more depleted or under more load. Anyway, good luck!