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Genesis GV60

Discussion in 'Hyundai/Kia/Genesis Hybrids and EVs' started by hkmb, Oct 2, 2021.

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    After the teaser announcements in August with some of the worst colour decisions I've ever seen, Genesis has now formally launched the GV60. And it's shown that some decent colours are in fact available.

    Given that Genesises have until now been cars with lovely interiors but terrible ICE engines and appalling fuel economy, and that the Ioniq 5 and EV6 have been acclaimed as being brilliant EVs, but they don't have the level of luxury I'd like, I think this might be the answer for me.

    Awful teaser colours:
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    Launch video with weird voiceover:


     
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    They at least put the steering wheel on the correct side…..
     
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    fairly attractive, as bev's go. range?
     
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    I’m estimating 220-280 miles owing to the potentially heavier weight due to more standard equipment than its sister cars - Ioniq 5 and EV6.


    Note that this has a few stand out features over its sisters.

    • Available wireless car charging (world’s first?)
    • Facial and fingerprint entry and start (no need for keys)
    • Available digital key via smartphone
    • Crystal sphere shifter (when the car is off, it’s a crystal sphere with ambient lighting. When the car is in READY mode, it rotates to a shifter knob so that you can select PRND)
    • A “Performance” model with 429hp. Yes, this is less than the EV6 GT and its 577hp but the EV6 GT is a full out performance car, while I believe the GV60 Performance is more akin to BMW’s M Sport or Audi’s “S” models - more power but not the full fat version with similar levels of luxury. (EV6 GT swaps out power front seats for manually adjustable bucket seats for example).
    • Many different interior colour options - green/beige, green/white, blue with yellow stitching, grey/white and the usual black. Upholstery includes Nappa leather with quilting or with suede inserts. Not sure if there’ll be an animal-free version for those who want one.
     
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    I will have to take a hammer to that and bash it across to the right side.
     
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    Thank you! So are you.

    Oh, you were talking about the car.

    Genesis are saying 280 miles (450km) for the RWD and 249 miles (400km) for AWD. 229 miles (368km) for the Performance one with drift mode. I assume that last figure is in sideways miles.

    Those are Korean-standard figures, which I think are pretty similar to US EPA figures. WLTP figures would be about 10% more (and far less realistic).
     
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    It seems to come with absolutely massive wheels too: I'd imagine they hit range as well. But the figures look only marginally works than the Ioniq 5 and EV6.

    As someone who lives a shortish drive from the beach, this is very appealing.

    This is a big thing for me. I really dislike black interiors. A lot of the combinations available look really good. I'm not keen on the blue with yellow stitching, but there are some other nice combinations. Exterior colour choices are good too: I particularly like the bronze and the teal.

    Why pamper life's complexity
    When the leather runs smooth
    On the passenger's seat?*




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    South Korea uses the EPA test cycles. I don't know if they also follow the current pretesting procedures and adjustment factors. It was a few years after the EPA made changes that Canada then adopted them, so Korea can use EPA test cycles and still have different results on the window sticker.
     
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    Ah, right. Thank you.

    I know the NEDC figures are basically "think of a number and double it", and that WLTP figures are a little bit closer to reality, and that EPA figures are close to what you'll actually get in decent conditions, but I didn't know about those changes.
     
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    For an EPA estimate from NEDC, divide by 1.4. For WLTP, it's 1.12.

    2008 the EPA introduced the high speed, cold, and hot w/ AC test cycles. These are used to adjust the highway and city test results down to what goes on the window sticker. Though there is a formula method a manufacturer can choose to use instead of running those three tests. Either way resulted in lower numbers than previously. My 2005 Prius went from 55mpg combined to 46mpg.

    In 2016, changes were made to the pretest procedure rules. These are things like how much wear the tires on the test car can have. The big one was with the coast down test. it is basically what it is named. The car is driven up to speed, and then allowed to coast until it reaches a crawl. The time it takes is used to determine the resistance load for the test dynanometer. Longer the coast, the lower the resistance. The start speed was 50mph, but the EPA upped it 70mph. Again, changes meant lower results, but not has big as before.
     
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    That's really very informative. Thank you.
     
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    Well, he certainly seems keen.

    I don't think I've ever seen him do a negative review, though. They're informative in terms of the facts, but there's never much about what he doesn't like.

    It does look good though. I think this is my most-likely next car, unless I go for an eGV70. I don't think I need the Performance with its boost button and drift mode. But the normal AWD looks excellent.

    It's frustrating. I know there are some being secretly tested less than 10kms from me. But, much as I have pleaded with Genesis, I can't blag my way into one. I'd love to know what it feels like. I know some people are happy to buy cars before release, based on reviews and pictures, but I don't think I could do that.

    As well as the BMW, I have a beater that I use for a few specific purposes. It's a 2009 Chrysler Grand Voyager (a Town and Country in the US). It does the jobs I need it to do: either transporting seven people, or, more often, folding the ingenious seats into the floor and carrying large amounts of furniture (or four people and a s---load of stuff) on 1200km trips from here to Broken Hill. It only cost me A$6000, and it does the job. But if I'd paid the new price (A$60,000+ in Australia in 2009), I'd have been furious. The build quality is abysmal, as you'd expect. But the real killer is the pedals in this RHD version. The brake and accelerator are so far off to the left that I actually have to brake with my left foot if I'm driving for long periods in heavy traffic. The accelerator is directly in front of my left foot, and the brake is so far to the left that I am politically aligned with it (physical alignment would have been more useful). It is extraordinarily uncomfortable. And if I jump straight from the BMW into the Chrysler, I find myself pressing the wheel well and wondering why the car won't accelerate.

    It's that sort of thing that means that I won't make a decision to buy a car before I've at least had the chance to sit in one. Imagine spending A$90,000 on a new car like this Genesis and then finding that the pedals are in such a stupid position that you get sore thighs after 20 minutes in traffic. I know it means I don't get to beat the waiting lists by putting in a pre-order, but it's a risk I'm not willing to take.
     
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    That's a good point. That's also a terrible design on Chrysler's part.

    Here's another from Motorgraph World

     
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    Thanks. That's a really useful review.

    There are more negative points in this review, which is very helpful, but she did still seem to very much like it. She's a good reviewer: she really makes things very clear.

    As someone who used to have a Gen 2 Prius, her complaint about a bar across the rear window made me nostalgic.

    In terms of understanding how much space there is, it'd be really useful if there were a medium-sized car reviewer in Korea. Charlie (Asian Petrolhead) is like 8 foot 30 or something, and Mari (Motorgraph World) is tiny.

    There was this review too.



    I can't speak Korean (beyond "맥주" and "비빔밥"), so I can't be sure what was happening. But I was really surprised when she started driving the car toward the end of the review, as throughout the rest of the video I thought she was really drunk. I didn't think she was in any state to drive.
     
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    I got a call from Genesis this morning saying they should have one available for viewing and sitting in next month in Sydney.
     
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    That's quick. I doubt we'll see the GV60 any time soon in North America. We've yet to receive the Ioniq 5 (should be Dec) and EV6 (spring 2022)
     
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    The first Ioniq 5s and EV6s are still not available for viewing here but should be in the next couple of weeks.

    Most companies are not bothering to sell their EVs in Australia, because our government policy on EVs is pitiful. VAG is the most notable: only the original e-tron SUV is being sold here. We're not expecting the ID.3, ID.4, Enyaq or Q4 e-tron until at least mid-2023. Ford isn't even going to bother with the Mach-E here. There's no sign of the iX3, iX or i4 or Mini Electric, and the Zoe never made it here. The Fiat 500 is still petrol here. And there are no GM cars being sold here now, ICE or electric.

    But there is clearly demand: there are a lot of Model 3s and XC40s in Sydney, because - other than the Leaf, the EQA (available for test drives, but long waiting lists for delivery) and the Taycan - they're pretty much all that's available. Mercedes and Hyundai-Kia have spotted the opportunity, so we're getting the Ioniq 5, EV6, GV60, EQB and EQE almost immediately after Europe gets them.
     
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