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Featured Toyota previews fleet of new EVs

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by MIkeDr, Dec 14, 2021.

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    Anyone see the car on the far right in the front?

    Does that not look like a Prius? Maybe next gen Prius?
     
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    Believe 'em when you can buy 'em.
     
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    This will appeal to the mass market - the ones that don't care about sub 6 second 0-60 but just want a long range, reliable, durable (90% retained capacity in 10 years) EV.
     
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    WSJ called out the main points of the change.

    BEVs now are projected to be 3.5M vehicles/year in 2030 up from 2 M bev and hydrogen cars toyota announced in may.

    battery research and production spending is now up to 2 trillion yen up 33% than previous announcement. EV research and production 2 trillion yen. That totals about $35B USD.

    An equal amount is pledged for hybrids, phev, and fuel cell vehicles. It is hard to imagine that in 2030 even 1% of toyota's sales will be in fuel cell vehicles. I wonder how much of the $35B is going there.

    Still this is a much better commitment than the previous one, and perhaps Toyota is realizing that people actually want plug-ins.
     
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    Do they self-charge, too? :p
     
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    It would just be nice if the RAV4 Prime was not unobtanium. Even before the parts shortage they were impossible to get.
     
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    In North East, Rav4Prime has been easier to find than Prius Prime. It has been that way since they sold out 2021 PP. I have not contacted any dealer about the true price, but as advertised, the price is at MSRP. No outrageous dealer mark-up which has been talked about in west coast dealers.
     
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    None of the 3.5 million/year bevs are self charging ;-) Of course this is only an estimate of what Toyota will produce. Lexus also promised no self charging cars after 2035, all of them will be plug in or hydrogen, and I doubt many hydrogen.
     
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    3PriusMike Prius owner since 2000, Tesla M3 2018

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    Don't be surprised if they say they self charge (when going downhill)

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    Source: Toyota Launches Battery EV Onslaught | designnews.com

    Better late than never in the EV game, according to Toyota.
    Dan Carney | Dec 16, 2021

    After years of battery-electric skepticism, Toyota has dedicated itself to full support for EVs with the announcement of plans for global sales of 3.5 million EVs by 2030.

    That will include battery EV offerings in every vehicle segment, with the European, North American, and Chinese markets going EV-only by 2030, according to Toyota Motor Corp. president Akio Toyoda. Other markets will follow, so Toyota will be all-EV by 2035, he pledged.
    . . .

    Source: https://www.electronicdesign.com/markets/automotive/article/21183308/electronic-design-fluidcooled-cable-quadruples-ev-chargingcurrent-capacity?utm_source=EG%20ED%20Auto%20Electronics&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=CPS211213015&o_eid=3534A4579989J5H&rdx.ident%5Bpull%5D=omeda%7C3534A4579989J5H&oly_enc_id=3534A4579989J5H

    What you’ll learn:

    • A new cooling technology has been proposed for EV high-current charging cables.
    • The system relies on the use of subcooled flow boiling to remove the heat from the cable.
    • Experiments were performed to acquire data for subcooled boiling in annuli using HFE-7100 as coolant.
    Many challenges persist when it comes to reducing the charging time for electric vehicles (EVs). These include the amount of power available at the charging station, the charging station’s power-conversion electronics, the cable carrying the power from the charging station to the vehicle, and the charging subsystem within the vehicle itself (Fig. 1).
    . . .
    Clearly, the amount of current delivered to the EV is an important factor in determining required charge time. A team at Purdue University is focused on that charging cable and has analyzed, devised, and tested a way to increase the current-carrying capacity from its present maximum of 520 A to over 2400 A. They note that the 520-A figure is the highest by far, as many chargers fall well below that (Fig. 2).
    . . .

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Well Lexus is attempting to show off their new RZ 450e: THE ALL-NEW LEXUS RZ 450E - Lexus USA Newsroom

    The web site is apparently in the middle of updating so it keeps pointing to just three pictures, but here's a pic if it disappears.
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    Charge door is driver front fender