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Can The ABS Module Be Bench Tested?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by wufibugs, Dec 23, 2021.

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    For some time I'd been hearing the ABS pump running excessively on my 2004 [186k+] and I finally got the ABS and brake light combination when the pump gave up the ghost. The brakes work, albeit without the anti-lock feature and probably also without traction control. Looked at the YouTube videos on replacing the Pump/Module and it is tedious but doable. Resetting and bleeding will require an additional outlay for computer related stuff.
    So here is the question: Can an ABS module be bench tested?
    I have 3 alternatives: (1) Go to the local Pick-ur-part yard and get a module from the growing number of Gen II Priuses now filling the yard. It will be guaranteed for 90 days. (2) Buy a used Module online, also guaranteed for 90 days. (3) Buy a new one at some $1300. [My research could not uncover anyone who is remanufacturing these particular modules].
    Option 3, new module, is impractical for a 17 year old high mileage car even though the high voltage battery was replaced at some point under warranty.
    Option 1, pulling one myself and installing it, bleeding, etc. just to find out if it is good is equally impractical.
    The issue is whether I can rely on the hype of EBAY sellers that their "pre-owned" units are good? That would only be true if the unit can be, and is bench tested to determine that it is really good, not just good for a few miles more.
    I know the previous owner and they are pretty rabid about proper maintenance. I feel confident in saying that if brake fluid changes were on the schedule, they were done eliminating that as the cause of the module failure. Research led me to contradictory conclusions: Many mechanics claim the unit is not subject to failure. Yet the large number of failures I read about and the number of Gen IIs entering the yards suggests otherwise. This leaves me questioning what I can expect from a used unit, particularly if it cannot be bench tested, or if it can, the test cannot determine how viable the unit is.
    All comments and suggestions are appreciated.
     
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    I don't really understand your question. If you don't want to pay $$$ for a new unit, then used is your only option. Whether you pull it or an ebay seller pulls it, all that matters is if it works when it's installed in your car. Unless you personally check the donor car for actuator pump cycle time, you can't KNOW if it's good or not. And that can't fully predict the future lifespan of the part.

    I suppose you might be able to assemble enough bits from a donor car (harness and ecu's etc) to power up the actuator, bleed it and all, but that's very impractical for the average Joe.

    End thought is you pays your money and takes your chances.

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    In a salvage yard, one way to tell for certain if a module can hold pressure is to unscrew the accumulator tank from the module block. This can be dangerous, as an accumulator that is still holding pressure will try to take off like a rocket once enough threads have been unscrewed. Not recommended for the weak of heart. If it has no pressure, that doesn't necessarily mean it's bad tho.
     
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    Sorry if I did not make myself clear. Your answer, however, implies that you did understand perfectly. You posit 2 choices, new or used. I posited a 3rd: remanufactured, but said I could not find one for this car. Your insistence that there are only two options suggests you believe that no one is remanufacturing the unit for this car. My second question was whether there is any way to take a used unit to a specialist and have them bench test to see if it is worth putting in the car. Your answer seems to be, no. The only way to test the unit is to install and hope for the best.
     
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    Interesting. I have dealt with high pressure accumulators on the Buick Reatta [Teves] and the Cadillac Allante [Bosch] ABS systems, both of which are subject to failure and sported huge repair costs. They have a threaded spherical cylinder with an internal diaphragm that holds the necessary high pressure for the system. However, once you depress the pedal a few times the pressure is released and the accumulator can be unscrewed without danger. This system is apparently different. However I was not thinking of trying to test the module in the yard. I was wondering if there are technicians who can bench test the unit to whom a used unit can be sent. I understand I am going to have to throw money at a used unit in the yard. What I would like to avoid is going through the installation and bleeding process completely blindly. I would feel a lot better if an expert told me the unit tested good before I installed it.
     
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    Along with the weak of heart, we could add unrecommended for the ordinarily sensible.

    On top of the obvious risks of a jet-propelled flying pound of steel if it gets loose, there are the less obvious risks of squirting 2,000 psi brake fluid.

    A jet of that pressure can self-inject under skin (hey, like those syringes in the original Star Trek!). Those kinds of injuries can seem minor at the time, and be shrugged off, and go very, very wrong. (Advisory: images are graphic.)

    An improved approach could be to look at the wiring diagram and find the terminals for opening one of the solenoid valves that will reveal if there's pressure in there. From the hydraulic diagram, with the thing on the bench, you could see what port the fluid will escape from, and prepare that one with a tube leading into a rag in a jar.
     
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    Now I am really confused. (1) You mean the unit can be removed from a car, all power and fluid lines disconnected, and still be a missile launcher?
    (2) Is the only, or most prominent thing to test for is whether the module will hold pressure? (3) When I look on EBAY, I find remanufactured toyota modules for several models, a few of which are pretty similar to the Prius. Yet there are none for our cars despite what I think would be a pretty substantial demand. Any idea why?
     
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    Yes, there is. Dorman offers a rebuild/remanufactured ABS module for Gen 2 Prii. Around $950 I think. Dorman #587-765. They've had it available for a couple years or so..I think they have difficulty keeping them in stock.
     
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    That price and the ~$800 that you might pay for a random unknown reliability eBay unit is not enough of a discount from a brand new OEM for ~$1150 to make me want to take risk of a repeat job or an unreliable sub-system. It's the kind of job you only really want to do once.

    But that's just me.
     
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    There is an electric pump, around a dozen solenoid valves, a few mechanical relief and check valves, and some pressure transducers. So there are plenty of things that might be worth testing, in a serious remanufacturing process.

    What seems to be a common failure is that an internal leak develops (possibly in a valve that wears and won't fully seat) leading to a reduction in time that the pressure will hold (sometimes down to only a matter of seconds)

    So in that sense, although holding pressure is not the only thing worth testing, it would probably help filter out units that have gone bad in that particular, apparently common, way.

    On the bright side, the ones that have failed in that way will probably not act as missile launchers.

    Really, there's nothing about the missile-launching aspect that you can't easily get around by studying the diagram and finding the right outlet port to direct away from your person and the right solenoid valve terminals to stimulate release any pressure.

    I just wouldn't want people skimming a post about unscrewing the accumulator and just jumping into it without doing that basic homework first.
     
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    True that. They are out of stock. Not sure what Rockauto.com charges for them.
    Found another EBAY seller who claims to be selling "remanufactured" or "refurbished" units for under $500. I sent him an email asking what he does to reman or refurb these units. Frankly I doubt I will hear back as I suspect they are really nothing but used units that he's cleaned up. If he has bench tested them, the extra $100 over regular used would be worth it.