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Safest way to remove exhaust/catalytic converter from wrecked Prius?

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    Well, I would like to remove the catalytic-converter and hopefully the entire exhaust system from underneath my wrecked Prius. It is on ground not completely solid pavement in my backyard. However the ground is relatively hard as its not grass.

    As you can see the front tires are flat(tened). I was going to put full-size tires on the front-end to add some extra clearance and jack up both sides of the front and put jack-stands underneath.

    1. Where is the safest place to put the jack stands underneath the car, so they will not slip at all? The back wheel might slip but the passenger side rear is the only tire that survived the accident. I've seen videos where to put the stands but wondering if this is applicable to a damaged car?

    2. Is this a good idea or should I just try to hire someone with more experience to remove the exhaust? I am very apprehensive about trying to torque the 14mm nuts holding in the catalytic converter and the car wobbling off the stands? i was going to raise it and see it stays up for a day or so before i ventured going underneath it.

    Any advice or other ideas would be appreciated. If I can do it without jacking up the car in some manner that would be best but unlikely i suppose.
     
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    I'm only half joking, but might be safer to roll it over. I wouldn't trust using jack stands on that ground. However if you've got some spare lumber, that might be a better option.
     
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    It’s not. Without knowing how the collision might have weakened the body or changed the car’s center of gravity, I don’t know that anyone could specify points for jacking or support that would be adequate to protect someone working underneath the car from the danger of being crushed.

    It might not be worth the effort, just for a catalytic converter, but if you have the time, tools, skills, and a way to dispose of the debris, I suppose you could dismantle the car from the top down. I wouldn’t try to roll or tip it without the proper equipment and some careful thought about what might shift or leak. Indeed, the possibility of leaking fluids or a fire is one reason I’d recommend just having the car removed at once for proper disposal.

    See the Repair Manual and Collision Repair Manual (more info) for information about the body structure and parts, and the hazards involved in handling some of them, such as the airbags and seat belt pretensioners. Also, I don’t often get to link to the HV Battery Dismantling Manual, but it’s appropriate here, just as reminder on the hazards of the hybrid system and hybrid battery, which might have been damaged in the collision.
     
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    thanks. I don't know what I'm gonna do about it. i was thinking about putting extra reinforcements like logs underneath it but still would need to have enough room to move about.

    seriously thinking about hiring someone to remove the catalytic converter who might have more experience (although I don't want anything to happen to him either).
     
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    4x4 flip on side 20 min removal whole system . No one hurt no one under fall hazard they're to side of . I used to do daily at Southside auto parts Durham NC and I had an industrial fork truck at my disposal too .
     
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    Maybe jack the front up and slide high ramps under the front wheels. At least that gets the front up a bit. Perhaps place several jack stands all around the rest of the vehicle, anywhere that seems stable, and keep the jack tight and steady raised up as as well somewhere. Its hard to say without seeing underneath, but be careful.. a collision like that, it can be quite unpredictable what has been compromised and what hasn't.
     
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    The front of the car is relatively undamaged and should be structurally sound. Get some 2x6 or 2x8 (or even wider) lumber and cut it into 16 inch long pieces. Get a low profile floor jack and lift each front corner of the car a bit at a time while stacking the lumber under the front wheels. You can use the lower control arm right next to the wheel as a jack point while doing this. Once you get about 10 pieces under each wheel, you should have enough height to get in there. Don't even think about going under it until you've lowered it down so it's 100% supported by the blocks of wood. You can also add your jack stands at the side of the car as back up if desired. You could do a similar method just using the passenger side front and rear tires.

    If you have floor ramps, and some wood, you can jack up the same corners, position some wood under it, then position the ramp on the wood to eliminate "soft ground" problems. Floor jacks also work much better on dirt if they have a piece of plywood under them.
     
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    I had the same thought, rolling it over would be safer than any sort of lift. No way I would go under it.

    If the rest of the car is going straight to the crusher, that is, you don't care about saving any other part of it, I suppose you could pull out the seats, center console, and carpets then cut down through the floor to reach it. However, it would be about an order of magnitude more work than rolling it over and then removing the cleanly exposed components from the new "top".

    Depending on where you are, it might not be legal to sell the cat.
     
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    Just advertise on Craigslist for a catalytic converter thief, then buy it from him when he gets it cut off.
     
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    How??? Coincidentally my car-rental is a 4x4 pickup that i've been very hesitant to drive because I don't want to damage it. Its not easy to drive like a prius.

    would I get it started by propping it an angle and then pushing it with the pickup truck? could two men turn the car on its side? how to do this without damaging the pickup (not even a scratch)?


    my thoughts exactly. would be like the hen calling for the wolf.

    might be a better idea to spring it on a unsuspecting mechanic than advertise for it. maybe saying work under the car or something? anyways I think this is a bad idea because of theft after removal from my house or something.

    OR maybe just trying to hire/ask people to help me tip over my car...and then later sue for me for causing their back injury.
     
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    Hook a chain to the top of the passenger door (open the door), run the chain over the roof to the driver side and pull with the 4x4, slowly to turn it on its side. Need at least 20-30 feet of chain.

    Or get a tow truck to do the same with a winch.
     
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    To the last guy talking about hooking to the window frame and pulling with the 4x4 pretty much what I was going to say but I don't have a 4x4 vehicle I was talking about 4x4 posts of wood but even better than that is two pipes 12 ft long 2-in galvanized steel get them halfway under the car on the side My Camry would be turned around with a heavy rope with a grappling hook or hook on the end of it from my receiver over the roof inside center post . I put tension on the rope the two guys each grab one of the 12-ft pipes and not too crazy start to lift up whilst I'm pulling the car actually will generally gently roll right over pretty slowly and then it will just lay there once it's on its side it's really not going anywhere I can leave my tension and my camry connected or whatever vehicle connected while they take loose what they want off we go should take no time.. be careful
     
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    Screw together some 2x8s or 2x10s (IOW scrap pieces of lumber) to make ramps or homemade stands. See pics. These stands (or ramps) are much better on dirt or uneven surfaces than standard issue jack stands. Alternatively, you could get some 3/4" plywood and make some 12"x12" squares to rest the jack stands. Ply squares spread the load which helps to prevent jack stands from sinking. Also, ply squares help to level out irregular or uneven ground.

    Hardest fastener will definitely be removing bolts (or maybe they are nuts) from the exhaust manifold. Without impact gun, you are going to need breaker bar (at least 3/8" drive), a 3/8" extension that is at least 24" long, I do not remember socket size for the exhaust manifold fastener (best guess is 13mm).
    20211230_174305002.jpeg 20211230_174244607.jpeg PS My pictured homemade ramp is painted so that oil drops can be cleaned easily (but painting is not essential). Hand grips are 1/2" rope stapled to ramp electrical staples.
     
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    You should not do this, but I bet this car could be rolled onto its side by 4 or 5 fit guys. Put a stake in the ground next to each of the driver's side tires/wheels to keep the vehicle from sliding sideways. Then open both doors on the passenger side, two men to each door, and lift.

    The reason you should not do it is that if one or two guys slip (in that mess of leaves) while the car is up everybody is pretty much in the same position as the rabbit in a box trap, like this one:


    https://potteryblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/trap.jpg
     
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    I'm totally impressed with how many options we've provided for something that is so basic and simple. wowzers...

    I've done dozens of Gen 2 exhausts. On a relatively flat surface. Step one is drive the front onto a set of car ramps. Step two is to jack up the rear from the center jack point and install jack stands under each side of the axle.

    Step one can be simulated just by jacking up each corner and sliding the ramp under the (flat) tire. Use plywood under the ramp to prevent it from sinking into dirt. If you need additional height due to the flat tires, add wood under the ramp or similar.
    Step two similar.
    If you need the car higher, just jack it higher and add some wood. It's a one man job.
     
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    Thanks for all the replies.

    Now I'm absolutely terrified of touching the car. I might call a tow-truck to winch it on its side or figure out a way to not endanger anyone to do this.
     
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    My vote is for you to use the 4 x 4 with chain, I'll bet it'll be pretty easy to get it on its side. Once on its side leave chain attached to 4 x 4 and remove the cat.
     
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    Actually, I might change my vote if you can borrow one of these
     
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    The work surfaces shown in the pictures are not ideal. The mess of loose leaves in the first photo would be very unsafe to work on and the loose gravel (mixed with something dark, mud?) in the second is not much better.
     
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    Happy New Year.

    Thanks for all the replies. What about just jacking up the driver's side of the car and having both passenger wheels on the ground? That way the jacks won't be supporting the full weight of the car. Can the exhaust be taken out that way? it seems like a relatively simply job IF I have enough time trying to loosen the bolts that are on the front end.

    All in all since I have no experience with this sort of thing I really hope that I can just hire someone to do it. I hired an experienced backyard-mechanic once who changed my old Camry's transmission in less than an hour, when shops charge a full-day's labor.



    cool video....might get more value if donate my car as a toy to the local zoo.
     
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