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Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by MarinJohn, Nov 4, 2006.

  1. daniel

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    A lot of folks seem to think that everything changes with the Democratic majorities in Congress. But a majority of one in the Senate means that the Democrats can do nothing (other than filibuster) unless they hold together 100%, which is unlikely. The Republicans seem better than the Democrats at maintaining party discipline. And with 51 votes in the Senate, they cannot override a presidential veto.

    Business will continue as usual, only with more hot air.

    Now as to who this helps in 2008, that depends on whether the public perceives the Democrats or Bush as being the obstructionist. If the public decides that the democrats are mucking things up and undermining the "war on terror," they may return to the republicans in '08. But if the public voted the Republicans out because they are tired of the war, and offended by the assaults on Constitutional protections, and disgusted by the use of torture by our government, and if Bush refuses to yield on these issues, then the public could easily vote in a Democratic president in '08, if the Dems nominate a competent campaigner.

    Much of how the public perceives it will depend on how the media present it. I make no predictions regarding who the public will vote for. But either way, it'll be business as usual for big business, and the same struggle to survive for the working poor and the middle class.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daniel @ Nov 8 2006, 06:36 PM) [snapback]345990[/snapback]</div>
    Mostly true on the hot air front, though I doubt that the Rep block will be anything but solid. These are political animals. It may be more like rats jumping a sinking ship. The big question is whether Congress will start considering impeachment of Pres and VP. Many Reps I know finally saw the light when his emperorship declared that he wouldn't change his mind in Iraq even if Laura and his dog were all that agreed with him.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(EricGo @ Nov 4 2006, 03:35 PM) [snapback]343862[/snapback]</div>
    That doesn't include my tax credit on my Prius, does it?
     
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    Doesn't matter...

    It's already been done.. :D

    In my eyes, we've already won. Feel free to clean up whatever mess you might think we've made, we really don't care. :p
     
  5. daniel

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Begreen @ Nov 8 2006, 07:33 PM) [snapback]346031[/snapback]</div>
    I'd love it if they did, but they won't. They'll talk about "mending fences" and it'll be business as usual, because there's more money to be made from collusion than from in-fighting. The Republicans impeached Clinton because he was popular and they were desperate to undermine his popularity. But with Bush's popularity low, there's no political hay to be made by an impeachment. The Democrats would rather have an unpopular president in office leading into the 2008 elections, than oust him and have the opposition party led by someone who might be more popular, or at least not have all the bad political baggage.

    Remember, none of these clowns, on either side of the aisle, cares a fig about what's good for America. They want power, and their actions will be governed by their judgement about the best way to achieve power.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(prez1 @ Nov 8 2006, 11:42 PM) [snapback]346039[/snapback]</div>
    It most certainly does. But then, you will save so much in fuel expenses, you will be one happy camper.