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Hybrid Hypocrisy?

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  1. interocitor

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    Hybrid Hypocrisy? Interesting article ... true in our household ... however, my husband has driven an SUV since 1986 ... I traded in my volvo for my "Pearl Pod" Prius ... our "garage gas guzzling average" has dropped, not to mention the whole clean air issue ... anyone else share garage space with an SUV? Is Keith Naughton's quoted 1 in 4 average correct? Hmmmm ...
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    Driving Forces: SUV Sales Take Off Again
    About a quarter of hybrid owners have an SUV in the garage, too. Why the conflicted carports?
    WEB EXCLUSIVE COMMENTARY
    By Keith Naughton
    Newsweek
    Updated: 6:18 p.m. PT Nov 10, 2006
    Nov. 10, 2006 - As gas prices have plunged since topping $3 a gallon this summer, a startling shift is taking place in the car market. Hybrid sales are slowing and SUV sales are speeding up.

    Come again?

    That’s right: the megawatt popularity of hybrids is dimming and Americans are rediscovering their favorite automotive guilty pleasure, gas-guzzling SUVs. And here’s something even more shocking: a surprising number of Americans have it both ways. They own a hybrid and an SUV. According to an analysis for NEWSWEEK by researcher GfK Automotive, 24.2 percent of hybrid owners also have an SUV in their garage. Oh sure, plenty of hybrid owners like small cars, too. One in five of them has a diminutive gas sipper in the family fleet. But SUVs, from large to little to luxurious, are hybrid owners’ No. 1 stablemate, according to GfK, an affiliate of the Roper research organization.

    Talk about your hybrid households. What are these people thinking, mooring a big land yacht next to the ultimate driving dingy? I asked Victor Tinio, who owns a Toyota Prius and BMW X5 SUV. He says he sees the contradiction, but doesn’t feel like a hypocrite. “I never thought about it that way,†says Tinio, of San Jose, Calif. For him, the Prius is practical and the X5 is fun. He drives the Prius during the week, when he travels 80 miles a day for work. He even brags about leaving SUVs in the dust in traffic jams because California lets hybrid drivers travel in the carpool lane. “I see all these big SUVs who want to overtake me but they can’t,†says Tinio. “I really love that.†He says he got the X5 three years ago as a “status symbol†car and to haul his five children on skiing adventures. Now, though, they’re old enough to drive themselves and he’s thinking about trading in the X5 for a sports car. He loves the 48mpg he gets in his Prius (versus 17mpg in the X5), but he still likes driving the Beemer better. “As an engineer, I just marvel at the way the Prius works,†he says. “The only thing I don’t like about it is that it drives like a sack of potatoes.â€

    Tinio’s conflicted carport is emblematic of America’s struggle to give up the keys to our big rigs. Sure, in these days of global warming and global terror, we all want to save the planet and reduce our dependence on foreign oil. At least that’s what we tell the pollsters. But then as soon as gas prices fell to the current average of $2.20 (off nearly a buck from this summer’s highs), Americans started turning to SUVs again. In September and October, SUV sales climbed 12.4 percent compared to the same two-month period a year ago. Now, keep in mind those two months in 2005 included Hurricane Katrina, $3 gas and one of the worst auto-sales periods ever as Detroit ended its “employee discounts for everyone†promotion. So topping that wasn’t too hard. Still, jumbo SUVs like the Chevy Suburban had their biggest month of the year in October. Meanwhile, hybrid sales fell 16.2 percent from September to October, according to Ward’s AutoInfoBank. Andrew McHorney of San Diego bought an inferno-red Dodge Durango last month because he needs something big to haul his son’s Boy Scout troop and their camping gear. He claims to feel no guilt driving a vehicle that burns a gallon of gas every 13 miles. “For some people, SUVs were a fad,†he says, “but for me this is a way of life.â€


    So never mind all that talk of the death of the SUV. The only thing that really died is the SUV fad: as those big units lost status and gained stigma, sales plunged, sending Detroit into the ditch. But recent trends show that the right combo of low gas prices, new models and good deals (average SUV discount in October: $2,984) can still goose the SUV sales engine. “People were doing funerals for SUVs,†says Edmunds.com auto analyst Jesse Toprak. “But that was premature.†Still, Detroit’s not ready to declare the SUV’s comeback. “Ford Motor Co. is not counting on a rebound in full-size SUV sales,†says George Pipas, market analyst for Ford, which lost $5.8 billion in the third quarter. “We’ve entered a new world where small cars and crossover utility vehicles rule.â€

    Hybrids are also starting to show some fad fatigue of their own: sales are up by 23 percent this year, but that’s mostly because so many new models have entered the fray. The good old Toyota Prius, which still accounts for nearly half of the hybrid market, has actually seen a small sales decline this year. (Toyota attributes the falloff to the federal government’s recent 50 percent cut in the tax credit you receive for buying a Prius). And remember, hybrids still account for just 1.5 percent of total U.S. auto sales. Analysts don’t expect that to grow much any time soon. Consider this: the cohort of car buyers who would even consider a hybrid has fallen from 39 percent a year ago to just 14 percent today, according to CNW Marketing Research. What’s hurting hybrids? The word is out now that it takes years to make back at the pump the extra $3,000 to $5,000 you pay for a hybrid. And that payoff only takes longer as gas prices fall.

    At this rate, it seems like hybrids will soon be joining SUVs in the discount lane at your local dealership. Indeed, Honda and Ford have already put incentives on their hybrids. But given hybrid owners’ apparent split personality, dealers might want to consider some kind of two-for-one promotion that pairs a Prius with a Pathfinder.

    In fact, Prius owners are particularly keen on SUVs. CNW says they’re more likely to own an SUV than drivers of hybrid Honda Accords or Civics. Prius owners, an especially affluent group, also are partial to luxury cars, with nearly one in five sharing garage space with upscale wheels. That love of SUVs and luxury liners drags down the fuel economy of the family fleet in Prius households to just 22.8mpg, according to CNW. That’s lower than the family fleet mileage of households where one car’s an Accord, Civic or even Toyota Corolla (which average 26.3mpg).


    Perhaps this kind of automotive oddity is to be expected in a culture with an appetite for having its cake and eating it too. Toyota officials insist their Prius owners aren’t simply looking to pinch pennies at the pump. “People who buy a Prius are proud they are helping the environment,†says Toyota spokeswoman Ming-Jou Chen. “They’re giving something back to the planet.†Maybe. But to me, this kind of driving duplicity explains why gasoline consumption continued to rise in this country even as gas spiked above $3 a gallon. It also shows why the average fuel economy of new cars sold today is lower than 20 years ago: we all talk a good game, but we’re not driving the talk.
     
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    More FUD from CNW Marketing Research. Surprise surprise. They MUST be a shill for Detroit.

    Nate
     
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    Hybrid Hypocracy? No. Historians preach that the only thing folks learn from history is that people learn NOTHING from history. Or as your local Toyota truck sales dude will tell you, "sheep were meant to be shorn".
     
  5. john1701a

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    So... all you have to do is find just one excuse for a SUV, then you can drive it all you want unconditionally?

    What a crock! In the old days, people used to have recreational vehicles and utility vehicles. They were used exclusively for that purpose they were designed for, then stored away until the next need. That's it. This nonsense of driving a grossly over-sized and over-powered vehicle every day for your commute to work with no other people or any cargo is just plain wrong.

    Imagine a world where people actually cared about the quantity of gas they consumed, instead of what they "save". Think about it. If each person was only allotted 450 gallons per year, you better believe they'd only drive the guzzler when it was truly needed. At the 48 MPG average many of the Prius owners report, it would take you 21,600 miles. That distance is plenty for most annually. But for those with a 13 MPG guzzler, like in that lame camping excuse, you wouldn't even be able to travel 6,000 miles per year.

    It only makes sense that people begin to store their SUV, using it only for those occasions which actually warrant the guzzling. To do your part, you actually have to do something... rather than making excuses.

    If that logic doesn't work, just translate that 450 gallons into money. At $2.22 per gallon, it's just under $1,000. Using a 13 MPG vehicle instead of a 48 MPG will cost you 3.7 times more. That extra $2,700 is a heck of a lot of money to just kiss goodbye.

    My preference is to focus on consumption, since lower demand will indeed reduce our dependence on oil.
     
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    Seems more like SUV hypocrisy to me. Sort of like those folks who order a jumbo meal at McDonalds and a Diet Coke. Don't look at the Diet Coke as the wrong thing, look at the rest of the meal!
     
  7. mootsman

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    I get really weary of all the apparent politics around owning a hybrid -- yes, my wife and are eco oriented, recycle, and more -- but for us the decision to buy a hybrid was essentially based on the fact that we wanted a new car and why not go with the mileage and the tax credit of the Prius? Our Prius shares garage space with a 2003 Honda Element and a 1997 4X4 jeep. The Honda we use to transport our mountain bikes to trails and races and also our kayak. The Jeep is used in our historical explorations. They all work for us and our "fleet average" is much higher than most folks' SUV alone. Hey, if somebody has a Prius and a Hummer in the garage, I'm not gonna get exercised over it....hmmm, assuming equal miles driven, they are likely getting an average of 30+ mpg -- and that's good no matter how it happens in my book.
     
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    I'm glad this was posted, made me think about my prius sharing space with my F150 and several motorcycles. The truck is mostly used to take the bikes to the track, but I do drive it on weekend errands to keep it happy, and use up the gas within 3 months to avoid having to put StaBil in the tank. Pri does all of the commuting, so I'm certain that my avg. mpg is better than most cars. Will have to do a little tracking.
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  9. Chuck.

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    Those that know the SUV bashing I've done in the past will find this post strange coming from me.

    I'm hoping that some of those folks with an SUV and hybrid are just phasing out the SUV. The smaller SUV don't bother me near as much as the jumbo SUVs that became a frequent sight in the late 1990's (Escalade, H2, lets add the one ton pickup trucks too).

    The market for huge pickups and SUVs in the last decade is for psycho - not utility reasons, as the commercials hint. I'm certain on another forum the venom a vocal minority have given me is privately they are not comfortable with the real reason most people drive an Escalade or a Dodge Ram.

    In the 1970's there were station wagons. If we see a lot of 2WD CUVs replacing 4WD SUV of a more moderate size, that will seem like progress.
     
  10. TonyPSchaefer

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    Yeah, there's no hypocrisy as far as I'm concerned. I do not feel bad that I own three different hand-held hammers in addition to my sledge. I don't feel bad that I own a table saw, a hand saw, and a circular saw. I don't even feel bad that I own a laptop and a tower. Every tool and appliance has a purpose.

    And let's keep in mind that they talk about the cars that are "in the garage" without even addressing the millions of people who drive hulking SUVs as commuter vehicles every day. People who realize that the Prius is a much better commuter car than a tower are not hypocrites but rather enlightened in the same way that they realize that the F-350 is a much better towing vehicle than commuter.
     
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    Personally, I have no need or desire for an SUV. I bought a Prius because it suits my needs, and since I'm a 'one person family', I don't need a second vehicle. But I don't see anyone's having an SUV and a Prius a hypocritical. It's a personal decision based on the owner's needs and preferences.
     
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    I actually do have a 2002 Chevy Trailblazer parked next to my garage.....

    Before we purchased the Prius in September, I drove a 2004 Honda Accord (about 26-28 MPG) and my wife drove the Trailblazer.

    Now we have parked the Trailblazer but kept it on the road. She drives the Honda and I drive the Prius (I have a 94 mile round trip back and forth to work!).

    But I still plan to use the Trailblazer now and again to go to the reclaimation center on weekends, pick up various LARGE items that we get from time to time at Home Depot, ect, and for me to drive to work on those occasional winter days when we get 6-12 inches of the white stuff!

    Just because you went "green" and decided to get a little more economical doesn't mean you should just throw away a perfectly good vehicle. I think it's great to own a Prius....both fun AND economical. But I thank the Lord that I able to afford other vehicles that fit needs other than those of fuel economy. :D
     
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    If a person actually has a legitimate need for a large vehicle, then it makes sense to own an SUV and a Prius. There's no hypocracy in that, provided they use the SUV only when needed. The person in John's example above, who drives the SUV all the time, on the excuse that he needs it once in a while, is a gas hog who is wasting resources and polluting the air unnecessarily.

    But the Prius owner who drives his Prius for his normal transportation, and has an SUV in the garage and uses it on the rare occasions he really needs it, is behaving rationally.

    But it will be a moot point soon, because before you can say Karol Józef Wojtyła nobody will be able to afford gas any more.