Let he who is without "sin" cast the first stone..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daniel @ Nov 10 2006, 06:29 PM) [snapback]347230[/snapback]</div>

Thanks, I figured you'd like my post.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daniel @ Nov 10 2006, 02:23 AM) [snapback]346763[/snapback]</div>

No Daniel, I have ME all figured out......YOU on the other hand, have everyone else all figured out as well. Gov't is corrupt, all Christians are zealots, all policemen are agents of the evil state and on and on ad nauseum. And now I am a fanatic. And you even know WHY!!!!!!!My life is a waste and "maybe"I'll recover. Why, so I can be as miserable as you seem to be with everyone around you? It must be tough to be around unenlightened people. Oh thank you for your wisdom. Some of these posters who constantly "ditto" you probably don't realize the amount of disdain you hold for their feeble intelect.

Oh great Daniel, please exlain the meaning of life to me. (sarcasm)

BTW, LOVE that cat avatar. I assume it is your cat. I have three, gotTa admit, none as cute as that one (but close)

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Schmika @ Nov 11 2006, 01:47 AM) [snapback]347350[/snapback]</div>

You have YOU all deluded. Otherwise common sense would tell you it is a task few if any humans have accomplished, and you are not going to be one of them. From my perspective, the only problem with your delusions are affecting others with your fascist actions.

But then, what can be expected from someone who is sure practically everybody else is going to pay with eternal torture in death, other that to see little reason not to bring it to life ?

Christianity: a message of love and compassion for {me} the faithful, suffering and death for everybody else. That only makes the message dispicable; however it reaches ludicrous for it's acolyte's plea to be tolerated.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Schmika @ Nov 10 2006, 09:47 PM) [snapback]347350[/snapback]</div>

As I've stated over and over (but since you apparently don't bother to read my posts, you were unaware of my view) Christians who actually practice the teachings of Jesus are among the finest, and most selfless people I know.

Intolerant, hateful people who call themselves Christians but who advocate war and the death penalty and who complain about having to pay taxes that support the poor, and who gleefully proclaim that everyone who does not share their religion is going to hell, those are the ones I criticize. People who insist that everyone live by their narrow interpretation of the book they insist is the only true Word of God™ and who are so narrow-minded they don't even want to know anything about other cultures.

Yes, government is corrupt. Just read a newspaper.

And the institution of the police force was created by the rich to protect them from the poor. Read a history book. As I have said, there are individual cops who reject this mandate. So you are mistaken again (not surprising) in accusing me of claiming that all cops are (in your words) "agents of the evil state."

And the meaning of life is 42. Everyone knows that.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daronspicher @ Nov 10 2006, 04:57 PM) [snapback]347248[/snapback]</div>

Daron has a sense of humor. Cute. Of course it was Mark's post that was inspired.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(livelychick @ Nov 11 2006, 10:10 AM) [snapback]347492[/snapback]</div>

When he said "Thanks, I figured you'd like my post," after I praised Mark's thoughtful and insightful comments.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(EricGo @ Nov 11 2006, 12:16 PM) [snapback]347433[/snapback]</div>

Excuse me....what fascist actions would those be??????????

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daniel @ Nov 11 2006, 02:05 PM) [snapback]347475[/snapback]</div>

Yes, I get the reference (I liked the depressed robot)

At least you are consistent.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Schmika @ Nov 12 2006, 05:06 PM) [snapback]347923[/snapback]</div>

Danger signs of fascism:
1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism.
2. Disdain for the importance of human rights.
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause.
4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism.
5. Rampant sexism.
6. A controlled mass media.
7. Obsession with national security.
8. Religion and ruling elite tied together.
9. Power of corporations protected.
10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated.
11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts.
12. Obsession with crime and punishment.
13. Rampant cronyism and corruption.
14. Fraudulent elections.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Schmika @ Nov 12 2006, 02:06 PM) [snapback]347923[/snapback]</div>

Thank you.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Godiva @ Nov 12 2006, 07:08 PM) [snapback]347924[/snapback]</div>

Thanks for attempting to answer for Eric but those are mostly not actions AND not attributed to me.

ERICGO....that's a heck of an accusation. BACK IT UP!!!!! Name a FASCIST ACTION I have done!!!!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(airportkid @ Nov 10 2006, 11:10 AM) [snapback]346910[/snapback]</div>

I must disagree with this statement. For example, didn't people vote for and supported Adoph Hitler are did they not? And take today with Embryonic Stem Cell Research where we seem to throw all caution out the window. Has any one heard of one success experiment done with Embryonic Stem Cells in the laboratory? No! All the successful experiments have been done with Adult Stem Cells. So, why are we throwing out all caution out the window with Embryonic Stem Cells by having the Government support it? Does not make sense to me.
Randy

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(airportkid @ Nov 10 2006, 11:10 AM) [snapback]348655[/snapback]</div>

I thought his statement was spot on. It's amazing to me that humans advance their knowledge in the sciences, learning more about the Universe everyday, and that we (especially the Western world) consider ourselves to be so intelligent. And yet...there's religion. Through the centuries, the various religions have told us how to view the world, who's right, who's wrong, when the End of Times will come, and these religions have virtually always proven to be wrong. And still...people believe. There's no evidence, whatsoever, absolutely none...that proves the existence of some sentient God or that Jesus or Allah were anybody special. You just have to believe...have faith...that it's all true. If you believe, you get 72 virgins in the afterlife or you live in some kind of heaven. If you don't believe, then one way or another you're going to be punished.

And this comes from someone who's had first hand experience living among hardcore Christians, and at one time trying like hell to believe.

Vince

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(VinceDee @ Nov 14 2006, 07:51 AM) [snapback]348706[/snapback]</div>

Vince: I think you could eliminate the word "virtually" from the above sentence. One of the attractions of religion at one time was that it pretended to explain how the world works and to describe the cosmos. Every single statement by a religion which has been addressed by science has proven to be wrong. Religion has been reduced to those issues not addressed by science.

Specifically, the only area where religion still holds any sway among the vast majority of believers is morality, since science does not address morality. But here, too, religion has failed miserably, for if the purpose of morality is to teach us how to live together in peace, we obviously need a new teacher.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(VinceDee @ Nov 14 2006, 10:51 AM) [snapback]348706[/snapback]</div>

Everything that we know about science today to be a fact, the Bible affirms. It is in the areas that we do not know to be a fact is where there is a conflict. Religion has shown to be wrong when it compromises what the Bible says to conform to society and to the sciences of it's day. I am quiet sure that if science every proves evolution to be wrong, people will be pointing at Religion again for compromising and be saying "yes religion has been proven wrong again". The question is not whether Religion makes mistakes, but whether the Bible makes mistakes? And as I look at the Bible I find that the answer is a resounding NO!
Randy

 

If Mick Jagger becomes a Buddhist, he will be the first stone who is without sin.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Randy @ Nov 14 2006, 09:00 AM) [snapback]348751[/snapback]</div>

wow, that is SO not true. To begin with, the Bible is just a fanciful story written by a bunch of people over time. Even if some of the events and depictions in the Bible even have some tiny grain of truth to them, they've been so muddied, mistranslated, misunderstood, and appropriated by so many people (so they can forward their own agendas) that I'm convinced that the Bible is no longer a relevant document for any human endeavor.

I'd be quite curious, however, to have you post some of these circumstances in the Bible where you think it "affirms" science.

Vince

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Randy @ Nov 14 2006, 01:00 PM) [snapback]348751[/snapback]</div>

And everything that science has shown to be nonsense, the bible has affirmed too.

That's the beauty of interpretation. It's means anything. And nothing.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(VinceDee @ Nov 14 2006, 12:51 PM) [snapback]348797[/snapback]</div>

Just a few hundred years ago science was in conflict with the Bible with Bloodletting (phlebotomy) where the Bible say that "the life of the flesh is in the blood" (Leviticus 17:11) and many people died for this practice of bloodletting, but now science is in harmony with the Bible.
Reference to what you said above about the Bible being "so muddied, mistranslated, misunderstood, and appropriated by so many people (so they can forward their own agendas) that I'm convinced that the Bible is no longer a relevant document for any human endeavor." Have you every looked at history confirming the Bible? Another words, if someone mistranslated the Bible in the 5th Century we would be able to find out by looking at the history of the Church in the first 4 Centuries. Did you know that if all the manuscripts to the New Testament where destroyed we can put the New Testament back together simply by what the early church fathers wrote about the New Testament as they quoted it and wrote commentaries about it? The Bible has also been translated into different languages early on in the history of the Church. Another area to look at which confirms the reliability that we have is what the original writers of the Bible wanted us to have. Have you every heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls? Again, another way to test the reliability of the Old Testament. It past the test beyond any ones expectations.
Randy