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SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by tochatihu, Jan 26, 2020.

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    conspiracy theorists
     
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    but the whitehouse says we're good, nothing to see here.
     
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    Our current vet offered both versions. One of our cats reacted very badly to the 3-year version, so we gave him only the 1-year version after that. Though not called out in our (unenforced) state law requiring dog / cat / ferret rabies vaccination, our vet recommends ceasing feline rabies vaccine after age 10, which this cat reached several years ago.

    Other sources indicate that the 3-year version has now mostly supplanted the 1-year version. At one time many jurisdictions required annual rabies vaccinations, at least for dogs, but it seems those have mostly been updated to follow manufacturer guidelines.

    https://doh.wa.gov/you-and-your-family/illness-and-disease-z/rabies/rabies-vaccination-requirements-pets
    "The first booster shot is needed after one year, and subsequent boosters typically every three years."

    Vaccination Guidelines for Dogs and Cats | Animal Health Topics / School of Veterinary Medicine
    "In accordance with California state law, we recommend that puppies receive a single dose of killed rabies vaccine at 12 weeks or 3 months of age. Adult dogs with unknown vaccination history should also receive a single dose of killed rabies vaccine. A booster is required one year later, and thereafter, rabies vaccination should be performed every 3 years using a vaccine approved for 3-year administration."
    add also:
    - vaccine-associated feline sarcoma
     
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    It was never a secret, some people just didn't pay any attention.
    Because vaccines are not entirely without adverse side effects, and we have a legal system with numerous greedy product liability lawyers who have no qualms about lining their own pockets by bankrupting vaccine manufacturers, regardless of the overall net benefit of the vaccines.

    Note that your ability to still buy firearms is protected by a similar law, from certain groups who intended to use liability lawsuits to force the manufacturers out of the (non-military) business.

    People who suffer vaccine injuries aren't out of luck, there is a National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, funded by an excise tax on the covered vaccines.

    https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/hrsa/vaccine-compensation/vaccine-injury-infographic-2017.pdf
     
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    I might never see FDA- or WHO-approved vaccines with discerned harms more than 1 million times less (figure it out) than the pathogens such vaccines are intended to chase.The whole vaccine-approval thing is designed to accomplish upside.

    'For this COVID, many vaccines have been developed, so, if one looks a bit weak at the million or more benefit/risk ratio. it is possible to use other vaccines instead. That is quite a luxury.

    It's unrevealing and sad when vaccine doubters (who may not realize whose dance they do) dig down into those millions and present themselves as 'just asking questions' as knowledgeable and clean alternatives ... to reality.

    USA might have had many fewer deaths (hard to say how many fewer), if the COVID dance there had stayed closer to reality.
     
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    The CDC based, New York Times COVID map; reports an order of magnitude reduction in death rates. Of course we had a lot of deaths before the vaccines became generally available. Seat of the pants, 500,000 deaths when vaccine available would have been 50,000.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    An example of the harm product liability suites can cause is Blitz. They stopped selling gasoline cans because of the legal and insurance costs incurred. These over zealous lawyers are also why we have the "is this really needed" warnings on products.
     
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    cases up 40% in ma today, 7 deaths and 750 in the hospital. we are not going in the right direction
     
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    can't fix the past, but we could be doing more about the future
     
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    "we could be doing more about the future"

    Oh gosh golly yes. Better surveillance of viruses 'knocking on our door' for species jumping is an obvious place to spend money on.

    Viral 'gain of function' research seems good to those doing it, but it scares me right to the core.

    Genomic vaccine makers have their game on, and are getting very rich off COVID. Perhaps that is right for our time.

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    Big overview: 8 billion humans (soon) and our food-source animals invite viruses to make more attempts. We offer lungs etc.and say "OK hit me". Guess what - viruses will. They spent like a billion years pestering bacteria and improving their tools. Only recently we offer them a very different lung landscape on earth.

    An invitation. They will take more shots, for sure. SARS and other virus attempts since 2000 have failed. Yay, they are stupid! But know they will never stop and this >10 millions human kill from COVID might not be their best attempt..

    We should be doing more about our future.
     
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    unfortunately, humans are more reactive than proactive. still carrying too many caveman gene.

    no, not geiko
     
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    Maybe start by resuming what we were doing a half decade ago?

    Or is that too political?
     
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    what were we doing in 2017? we can take it to the coronavirus thread in fhopol if necessary