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SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by tochatihu, Jan 26, 2020.

  1. tochatihu

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    If the systems alluded to in #5977 are indeed paying health-care workers such a small fraction of their market value, that alone would be worth a closer look.
     
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    there will be no links. this is internal. talk to anyone that works there.
     
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    there are two values:
    1) residents that will stay and put up with whatever changes happen
    2) travelers that will take advantage of staffing shortages and demand more

    when 1 is depleted, 2 will step in. it's been happening for a long long time.
     
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    another prediction:
    just in time for elections, the next wave

    of course the only way to vote safely will be, well.... you know the rest
     
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    But where? Do you refer to Federally Qualified Health Centers - community-based health care providers that receive funds from the HRSA Health Center Program? Or Veteran’s Affairs hospitals? Or some other federal program?

    Could you at least tell us that?

    In a general sense, something so seemingly important happening (as you say) in federally sponsored health care, does seem a bit odd.
     
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    What else is it about if not about the virus? What do they do with this control? What's the point? Piss off most of the population and lose money for control? Control of what? .... The virus maybe?:rolleyes:

    If they would just get vaccinated we would have more workers. I remember when they were heroes and essential, they should also remember they are heroes and essential and get vaccinated. No need to remember when there isn't enough workers. There still isn't enough.

    One thing we do agree on is that they will be replaced by less competent workers for more money. Again, I ask why? Why would they do this? Why is this control so important to them? It's costing them and us a lot of animosity and normality.
     
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    "It's costing them and us a lot of animosity and normality."

    Well, either it is or it isn't. I remain curious, here we have only one bare narrative with, and no links. Them, from my perspective remains an undefined pronoun.
     
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    I don't know who "they" or "them" are. But I'm not part of the "we" that knows what this is really about. I thought it was about the virus. If I am wrong, then am I still I or me?
     
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    i warned you about ct's doc, but you wouldn't listen :p
     
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    it is not going well here. pols have given up, and are not going back. everyone's taking paxlovid, deaths are not talked about, media has moved on. even the cdc was waivering on the fourth shot between now and fall.
    the only wake up call would be overflowing hospitals, i hope we don't get there.

    i was just saying to mrs b, it's amazing how often we get 7 deaths in a day.

    we're hearing many more cases of friends and family. definitely more contagious, plus, masks have gone with the wind. precautions are mostly untaken, except for the sane few.
     
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    I'd be happy to have a bottle of paxlovid pills, if things go poorly here :eek:
     
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    To be honest, I've also moved on. I don't really want to hear about it anymore and I wish Fauci would just say, "We give up. Let's just go back to normal. If you're gonna die, you're gonna die.".... :unsure: but that would be irresponsible. I'm just so done with social distancing and masks. Seems like vaccination rates are high enough that while positivity rates are back in the red, hospital beds are not at capacity.
     
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    Natural immunity: acquired!

    Yuck. Pretty disheartening, because I was just for the first time trying to feel a little like so many around me seem to feel, hey, we're vaccinated and boosted, we're tired, let's just stop fussing about it.

    So I loosened up, and went to (1) lunch with 2 or 3 work guys on a Thursday, (2) coffee shop with a friend on Friday, (3) local theatre production Friday night (about 1/3 attendance, no masks), and (4) choral concert Sunday (singers all in well-fitting, purpose-built masks, audience all in cheap surgical masks if they hadn't brought their own, in a church sanctuary with a bunch of electric air purifiers placed among the pews, again probably 1/3 attendance), and blam, collected my stupid prize in less than a week.

    The doc didn't consider me to have enough risk factors to warrant any of the therapeutics, so I got the basic "stay home, lots of fluids, call 911 if you can't breathe, have a nice week" regimen.
     
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    paxlovid is very questionable at this point, but i don't think (hope) there is any harm in trying it.
     
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    seems to be what most are thinking, unless immune compromised. and they tend to wind up in the hospital, or cemetery.
    how are you feeling?
     
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    i agree to a certain extent. what i believe is unfortunate though, is the risk healthy people are putting immune compromised people at.
     
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    I'm past it now, except for persistent followup visits from the phlegm fairy. For me (3x vaxxed) it was a lot like any bad URI with fever, except for the truly extraordinary loss of energy. That was weird.
     
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    sounds about the same as our son, glad you're mostly over it!
     
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    Don't worry, it will likely fade quickly, and you'll be back to your prior condition in several months.

    The Immunity, that is, not the disease's annoying aftereffects. :( Omicron has more immunity-dodging power than any previous variants:

    SeaTimes: How often can you be infected with the coronavirus?
    Originally from NYT: How Often Can You Be Infected With the Coronavirus? - The New York Times


    "A virus that shows no signs of disappearing, variants that are adept at dodging the body’s defenses and waves of infections two, maybe three times a year — this may be the future of COVID-19, some scientists now fear.

    The central problem is that the coronavirus has become more adept at reinfecting people. Already, those infected with the first omicron variant are reporting second infections with the newer versions of the variant — BA.2 or BA2.12.1 in the United States, or BA.4 and BA.5 in South Africa.

    Those people may go on to have third or fourth infections, even within this year, researchers said in interviews. ...

    “It seems likely to me that that’s going to sort of be a long-term pattern,” said Juliet Pulliam, an epidemiologist at Stellenbosch University in South Africa.

    “The virus is going to keep evolving,” she added. “And there are probably going to be a lot of people getting many, many reinfections throughout their lives.”

    ... Earlier in the pandemic, experts thought that immunity from vaccination or previous infection would forestall reinfections.

    The omicron variant dashed those hopes. Unlike previous variants, omicron and its many descendants seem to have evolved to partially dodge immunity. That leaves everyone — even those who have been vaccinated multiple times — vulnerable to multiple infections.

    “If we manage it the way that we manage it now, then most people will get infected with it at least a couple of times a year,” said Kristian Andersen, a virologist at the Scripps Research Institute in San Diego. “I would be very surprised if that’s not how it’s going to play out.”

    At the pandemic’s outset, many experts based their expectations of the coronavirus on influenza, the viral foe most familiar to them. They predicted that, as with the flu, there might be one big outbreak each year, most likely in the fall. The way to minimize its spread would be to vaccinate people before its arrival.

    Instead, the coronavirus is behaving more like four of its closely related cousins, which circulate and cause colds year round. While studying common-cold coronaviruses, “we saw people with multiple infections within the space of a year,” said Jeffrey Shaman, an epidemiologist at Columbia University in New York.

    If reinfection turns out to be the norm, the coronavirus is “not going to simply be this wintertime once-a-year thing,” he said, “and it’s not going to be a mild nuisance in terms of the amount of morbidity and mortality it causes.”

    Reinfections with earlier variants, including delta, did occur but were relatively infrequent. But in September, the pace of reinfections in South Africa seemed to pick up and was markedly high by November, when the omicron variant was identified, Pulliam said. "
    ...
     
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