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Gone - no more PRIUS in Australia

Discussion in 'Gen 4 Prius Main Forum' started by alanclarkeau, May 11, 2022.

  1. Mendel Leisk

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    The primes front end seems driven by (very strange) styling, not aerodynamics, at least to my eye. The fake “intake scoops” on the corners for example. They certainly look absurd, there’s that.
     
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    It seems Toyota was charging a lot more for the Prius over their other hybrids.
    @Skylis A posted this in the now closed thread,
    Yaris: 3.3L/100km ($32,771)
    Corolla hatch: 4.2L/100km ($31,039)
    Corolla sedan: 3.6L/100km ($31,039)
    Camry: 4.7L/100km ($37,485)
    Prius: 3.4L/100km ($42,339) <- found your problem.

    I just wonder why. In the EU, import tariffs push up the Prius price tag, but aren't all cars imported to Australia now?

    The main one is the Corolla, as Toyota does make it in a hatchback and wagon version for other markets. You might even be able to get it with a 2L engine. A new Aqua(Prius c) came out in Japan that is using a greatly improved NiMH format.

    There are also more hybrid options from other makes. Our relatively cheap fuel makes bringing them to market unattractive though.

    Wagons became unstylish to the public as it gained the 'family car' stigma, that would later bring down minivan sales. Perhaps it is time for them to make a come back. The luxury European brands never stopped offering some as an option. The real hurdle would be that SUVs, including crossovers, are better for the manufacturers account books.
    The Prius Prime is being held back by the HSD. In general, PHEVs do worse than BEVs in terms of efficiency. The Rav4 Prime doesn't reach 100mpge for instance.

    With Hyundai starting an Ioniq BEV line, this isn't surprising.

    The Ioniq ended up with a slow roll out here as there seemed to be supply issues. Production probably went to markets where it was more profitable.
     
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  3. Tideland Prius

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    Maybe but I can get significantly better kWh/100km efficiency in the Prime. My record was 177Wh/mile (9kWh/100km).

    IIRC, the Prime's designer wanted more style over strictly aerodynamics. This is why there was the Dual Wave rear window to partially offset the increased drag in the front. The net Cd is still higher over a standard Gen 4.
     
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    I have no doubt if I ever got one I probably could also, given the current and possibly permanent auto market that seems less likely every day

    Before my Volt got wrecked with no parts to repair and no one to do said repairs I was doing this biweekly which is “145wh/mile”
    (Actually 166wh/mile measured off the wall)


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  5. alanclarkeau

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    Yes - Australia stopped manufacture a few years ago - including the Camry Hybrid.

    At present - there is no real competitor for PRIUS - RAV4 is huge in comparison, Corolla is only SEDAN or a poorly-designed Hatch - the boot/trunk is smaller than a YARIS's, and the back seat is terrible.

    Apparently they expect that people will fall in love with SUVs if that's all they're given. Wouldn't work with vegetables - if that was all that was offered - I'd still find a way to find a good steak or piece of chicken/fish. Or hate every mouthful.
     
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    Outside of Japan, the Corolla sedan and wagon have a longer wheelbase. Don't know where the Cross falls. The rumor is the US will get the hybrid version. It looks more like a Rav4 than a Corolla though.
     
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    No kidding.
     
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    I was expecting something like a Focus Active.
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    I think the Matrix looked more like a Corolla.
     
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    Yes - just like the YARIS Cross looks like a RAV4 which was put on a hot cycle in the washing machine and shrunk.
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    Ausi auto glory days .... come & gone


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    Yep - Aussie - sort-of. Heavily modified - I never owned a Falcon myself. The 2 door was fairly rare here, most were Wagons or 4dr sedans.

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    Even the WRONG side of the LAW had them ...

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    Has Toyota given up on the C-HR?
    Fired the guy that came up with model names?

    They once released a Corolla wagon without Corolla in the name. What if there were no Escape or HR-V, but a Focus SUV and Civic SUV being sold instead? Shouldn't the Rav4 be named the Camry Cross, or is that the Venza?
     
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    It would be a mercy killing. Was looking at one this morning (while walking the dog); one of the most bizarre/pretentious styling exercises. I really hope they change course.
     
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    I was OK with the CH-R's styling. I test drove it and a Prius from the same dealership. I was shocked that the Prius had the better acceleration - which solidified the Prius over it.
     
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    I think the C-HR is still around - occasionally see one :(:notworthy::sick::sick::giggle:

    That's the one designed by 11 people who were disagreeing violently with each other, nothing matched the next panel - and the boss said "That'll do, we've run out of time". EEEEK.
     
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    Yep - horrid. And some people had the audacity to laugh at Gen 4 Prius.
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    Back seat passengers can't see out. That's if they can find the door handle - which children can't reach.
     
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    Tbf, I don’t think the CH-R was targeting families. It’s likely target is single or couples in urban environments who want a stylish (i mean compared to RAV4 which has gone the outdoorsy route) and compact SUV.
     
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    Ahh - like this - which my mate bought - but he didn't bother with pretend back seats:rolleyes::rolleyes:

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    Except not as fun to drive as the MX-5/Miata. That said, I think the press event for the CH-R did include an auto cross circuit IIRC.
     
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