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  1. bwilson4web

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    If you want to 'hate Elon', Clean Technica has dipped its toes into: Elon Musk is Off The Rails, Will He Take Tesla & SpaceX With Him?

    . . . at some point, someone has to point out that the emperor really is walking about while wearing no clothes. [Editor’s note: Different writers on our team have had different views on Elon Musk (and Tesla products) over the years. In the interest of allowing different opinions to be expressed from people with the same overall mission (advancing cleantech), we have published op-eds across the spectrum on this topic — and plenty of others. Clearly, not everyone on the team will align with every article. Steve Hanley is a Tesla owner who has long appreciated Tesla’s role in the industry, but like many Tesla owners, his relationship with the company has become complicated. The comments under this article show that as well as the article itself. To pretend or assume the Tesla community only includes people who 100% support everything Elon Musk does and says at this point would be misrepresenting the Tesla community — massively.]

    I've read similar SeekingAlpha articles that pour vitriol on Elon yet whose claims make no sense compared to Elon company performance. This article will fill those who want to 'hate Elon' with more noise but little content. Still, personality conflicts exist and it is bester to know to better deal with the noise.

    BTW, Clean Technica has yet to generate a YouTube video that echos this opinion piece. Hopefully, they won't and not repeat this silliness. I subscribe to the Clean Technica YouTube channel because they post useful content. That could change if they commit to this kind of time wasting pique.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Could their claims be about something besides company performance?
     
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    The article sums up those non-business claims nicely.
     
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    to me, this is just an article articulating some of the nutty stuff elon has done for a long time, maybe forever.
    his morals, ethics and political views don't align with a group of people who think working towards whatever technology they support should also mean that he has to think the same way they do in other spheres.
    for whatever reason, this poor fellow just couldn't take it any more. hopefully, he feels better having gotten it off of his chest.
     
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    I did not see specific Elon tweets they find objectionable. Perhaps this is a call to limit Elon's free speech?

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    Over 400 hundred SpaceX employees signed this letter.
    "An open letter to the Executives of SpaceX,

    In light of recent allegations against our CEO and his public disparagement of the situation, we would like to deliver feedback on how these events affect our company’s reputation, and through it, our mission. Employees across the spectra of gender, ethnicity, seniority, and technical roles have collaborated on this letter. We feel it is imperative to maintain honest and open dialogue with each other to effectively reach our company’s primary goals together: making SpaceX a great place to work for all, and making humans a multiplanetary species.

    As SpaceX employees we are expected to challenge established processes, rapidly innovate to solve complex problems as a team, and use failures as learning opportunities. Commitment to these ideals is fundamental to our identity and is core to how we have redefined our industry. But for all our technical achievements, SpaceX fails to apply these principles to the promotion of diversity, equity, and inclusion with equal priority across the company, resulting in a workplace culture that remains firmly rooted in the status quo.

    Individuals and groups of employees at SpaceX have spent significant effort beyond their technical scope to make the company a more inclusive space via conference recruiting, open forums, feedback to leadership, outreach, and more. However, we feel an unequal burden to carry this effort as the company has not applied appropriate urgency and resources to the problem in a manner consistent with our approach to critical path technical projects. To be clear: recent events are not isolated incidents; they are emblematic of a wider culture that underserves many of the people who enable SpaceX’s extraordinary accomplishments. As industry leaders, we bear unique responsibility to address this.

    Elon’s behavior in the public sphere is a frequent source of distraction and embarrassment for us, particularly in recent weeks. As our CEO and most prominent spokesperson, Elon is seen as the face of SpaceX—every Tweet that Elon sends is a de facto public statement by the company. It is critical to make clear to our teams and to our potential talent pool that his messaging does not reflect our work, our mission, or our values.

    SpaceX’s current systems and culture do not live up to its stated values, as many employees continue to experience unequal enforcement of our oft-repeated “No donkey” and “Zero Tolerance” policies. This must change. As a starting point, we are putting forth the following categories of action items, the specifics of which we would like to discuss in person with the executive team within a month:

    Publicly address and condemn Elon’s harmful Twitter behavior. SpaceX must swiftly and explicitly separate itself from Elon’s personal brand.

    Hold all leadership equally accountable to making SpaceX a great place to work for everyone. Apply a critical eye to issues that prevent employees from fully performing their jobs and meeting their potential, pursuing specific and enduring actions that are well resourced, transparent, and treated with the same rigor and urgency as establishing flight rationale after a hardware anomaly.

    Define and uniformly respond to all forms of unacceptable behavior. Clearly define what exactly is intended by SpaceX’s “no-donkey” and “zero tolerance” policies and enforce them consistently. SpaceX must establish safe avenues for reporting and uphold clear repercussions for all unacceptable behavior, whether from the CEO or an employee starting their first day.

    We care deeply about SpaceX’s mission to make humanity multiplanetary. But more importantly, we care about each other. The collaboration we need to make life multiplanetary is incompatible with a culture that treats employees as consumable resources. Our unique position requires us to consider how our actions today will shape the experiences of individuals beyond our planet. Is the culture we are fostering now the one which we aim to bring to Mars and beyond?

    We have made strides in that direction, but there is so much more to accomplish."

    SpaceX's response was to fire some of those employees.
    It seems Elon is more of a risk to free speech.
    SpaceX employees draft open letter to company executives denouncing Elon Musk’s behavior - The Verge
    Hundreds of SpaceX employees signed letter denouncing Elon Musk’s behavior - The Verge
    SpaceX fires employees after internal letter criticizes CEO Elon Musk

    Elon's more outragous tweets usually are well reported outside of twitter. It takes willful blindness not to notice.
     
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    The abuses of TESLAQ has inoculated me against vague ‘well reported’ claims. Feel free to cite specifics that have offend you.

    So far, I missed what appears to offend the sensitive crowd.

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    Well, the incident that sparked the writing of that letter was a settlement over Musk exposing himself to a SpaceX employee. He was then flippant about it on Twitter. The article I linked quoted it, but since that doesn't seem enough, here is the twit.
     
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    Elon's sense of humor is often seen as obscure. He is joking about the 'flight attendant' rumor.

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    These seem to be two different ways of saying the same thing.

    I hadn't come across that particular piece of news, but this seems to be the article that broke it (it was cited by the other one I read):

    SpaceX Paid $250,000 to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Elon Musk of Sexual Misconduct
     
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    A rumor that cost SpaceX $250k, and got over 400 employees to speak up about Musk's behavior and SpaceX's double standard over its "no donkey" conduct policy.
     
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    My understanding is five donkeys are seeking new jobs … Blue Origin ?

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    And it's okay to fire employees for just voicing concerns about the company's culture and how it is perceived with an internal letter?
    If that is what telling Elon to cool it on twitter is, then what was SpaceX's?

    This is just one of the issues brought up in the article, which had links.
     
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    It is comments like this one that get to me, and I think I agree with Bob most of the time so that makes it odd to hear him say stuff like this. I assume it is defensiveness from being a stock owner and hyper-worried about FUD. Well the SpaceX employes and Tesla employee are also worried. Nobody "hates Elon" or "hates Trump" per se, they are exhausted by the constant running of their mouth, and they constantly run their mouth because they are not well mentally. So when you try to defend them with "you're just sensitive to mean tweets" you are missing the point, it isn't so much what they say as much as they shouldn't be tweeting. The first rule in C-Suite negotiations is STFU, but these guys prefer to go 'nuclear on blathering' their way to some end. That's what people don't like, we have a natural aversion to sales pitches and grifters and being maniuplated by abuser B.S., focus on that, that's the problem.
     
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    Autoline.TV reports the UAW had a recent meeting in Birmingham about organizing including some Tesla folks. If an employer is wrong, the employee can seek a different employer, self-employ, or unionize. For example, I resigned four times from GE and now draw a pension.

    Had the letter called for a union organization meeting, they would not be fireable but they didn’t. Mistakes have consequences.

    Bob Wilson