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2012 Crooked Prius?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by Hokie-Dave, Jun 27, 2022.

  1. Hokie-Dave

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    On a whim yesterday I measured the wheelbase on my prius. Left side was 106" (center to center) and right side was 107". Car tracks and drives just fine. It is a 2012 PIP. The reason I did this is because my friend has a mark on his garage floor for his 2010 prius where if you park it there the lift points line up perfectly with the lift arms. We just took his off the lift and I put mine on and it didn't line up properly.

    Where would you start to look for issues? Couldn't see anything bent on the front or back suspension. Tires are searing normally as well. Should I be concerned? All because I decided to do an oil change and tire rotation. Argh!

    Thanks for any insight.
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    Have you had it since new?
     
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    No, haven't had it since new. It currently has 140k miles on it and I bought it with about 95k miles on it. No crashes showed up in the carfax report.
     
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    There are variations in the manufacturing process when components are made from drawn or stamped steel. When it is stamped, sheet steel has a tendency to spring back. Contrary to conventional wisdom, no two parts stamped with the same dies is identical. No two raw steel sheets are identical either.

    The bodies are assembled on fixtures that align the components to be spot welded and assembled. Welding either with spot welding or continuous electrical welding will cause the components to move as they heat up and cool.

    The sum of all these little variations could result in the difference reported by the OP.

    Bolted together components with have "backlash" common with even the most precise machine tools. Freeplay is necessary for the parts to slip together. Otherwise, expansion and contraction or variations in temperature will cause the parts not to fit together.

    Wheel alignment with shims and other adjustments allow for all of these variations to provide for a good tracking result as the car travels down the road.

    Basically, it is nothing to worry about.
     
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    Thanks for the reply. I'm feeling better, although I still think an inch out on either side is outside of normal tolerances. Next time I get it up on a lift I'll take some more measurements and inspect things a little closer. Took a quick glance at all the bushings and components while rotating the tires, but wasn't looking that closely since it was after I took my car off the lift that I measured it. I'll go on with the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" on this one.
     
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    On this wiki page:

    Toyota Service Information and Where To Find It | PriusChat

    you will see mention of the "collision repair manual". It has several "body dimension drawings" that give a web of dimensional measurements between specific reference points on the body and underbody, to make sure everything is properly lined up after a repair. The reference points are often small holes provided in the sheet metal, so you can anchor the points of a tracking gauge there.

    The reference dimensions are given in mm. I'm looking in a Gen 1 edition of the manual, and I don't see them saying what an acceptable tolerance is on the dimension. But they do go on about using a freshly-calibrated tracking gauge with no looseness in its body or joints, which has me thinking that whatever tolerance they have in mind, an inch would be outside it.
     
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    Is the OP measuring the chassis or the difference between the hubs on the wheels on the ground? Since most cars are driven with only one person in the driver's seat, those springs become weaker and shorter with age.

    Alignment is usually done with no one in the car. When the driver gets into the car, the alignment of wheel separation between the nub's centers will be longer.
     
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    I measured from center to center of hubs when car was on the ground. And the only reason I even thought of measuring it is because we figured the arms of the lift would swing right under mine to the same pickups from his prius since we just finished working on it.
     
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    i'm afraid to check mine :eek: like you said, if it ain't broke, don't fix it :cool:
     
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    LOL. I actually thought about checking my other cars, but I'm definitely not going to open any other can of worms. :)
     
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    Any little variation in the steering not pointing straight forward will result in the inch in variation.
     
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    Yeah, that was my first thought on reading the initial post.
     
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    So what happened here when you swung the arms out on the jack all of them lined up except for one there's usually four pads that swing out or in my missing something here or the one side the pads lined up perfectly and on the other side they were an inch forward or rearward?
     
  14. Hokie-Dave

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    The rear pads were extended to far back to hit the jack points for the rear of the car, had to put them just behind the crimps. Had to change adjust the front pads as well. Maybe his rolled back a couple inches before we set the arms for his? We were both pretty sure his front wheel was centered on the arrow on the floor just as mine was.