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Need help with the bolt size/part number (lower control arm)

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Salvinorin A, Jul 6, 2022.

  1. Salvinorin A

    Salvinorin A New Member

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    I want to replace the driver-side lower control arm, but one bolt is too stubborn, and it seems the only solution is to cut it off. But before that, I need a replacement bolt. Can anyone help with the size and type of the bolt and nut pair for the lower control arm or part number? Please see the picture. Thanks.
     

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    You need to get that bolt from Toyota.
    Some parts stores may have an aftermarket alternative (like in the "Dorman HELP!" section).

    Fwiw, especially for suspension specialty bolts, always get OEM.
    Imho, if your life isn't worth ~$10 for a OEM Toyota bolt, then you have other much greater issues to deal with, other than a rusted bolt. :-( Just saying...

    I'm not sure why the typical online Toyota parts sites didn't show/list the bolts.
    Note, there will be shipping and tax.
    Imho, if you're near a dealership, just go there, and order the part there. Depending on their inventory, they may even have some in stock.


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    Start at:
    https://parts.toyota.com/
    
    Navigate to your car, the year, and the area (front suspension).
    
    
    
    https://parts.toyota.com/a/Toyota_2009_Prius-Hatchback-15L-Hybrid/_65511_6707055/FRONT-AXLE-ARM--STEERING-KNUCKLE/222420-4802.html
    
    https://parts.toyota.com/images/parts/toyotaOEM/fullsize/a1_481695D.jpg
    
    https://parts.toyota.com/p/Toyota_2009_Prius-Hatchback-15L-Hybrid/Suspension-Control-Arm-Bolt-Left--Right--Front--Lower/63349247/9011914108.html
    
    Suspension Control Arm Bolt (Left, Right, Front, Lower)
    Part Number: 9011914108
    Supersession(s): 90119-14108
    FOR FRONT SUSPENSION LOWER ARM NO. 1 LEFT; FOR FRONT SUSPENSION LOWER ARM NO. 1 RIGHT.
    MSRP:  $7.15
    
    
    https://parts.toyota.com/p/Toyota_2009_Prius-Hatchback-15L-Hybrid/Suspension-Control-Arm-Bolt-Left--Right--Front--Lower/63349247/9011914108.html
    Suspension Control Arm Bolt (Left, Right, Front, Lower)
    Part Number: 9011914108
    Supersession(s): 90119-14108
    FOR FRONT SUSPENSION LOWER ARM NO. 1 LEFT; FOR FRONT SUSPENSION LOWER ARM NO. 1 RIGHT.
    MSRP: $7.15
    
    


    Good Luck!
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    Thanks for the advice. I never got any parts from a dealer, but there is one ~10 miles, and the price for a bolt+a nut is reasonable. Thanks again.
     
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    Oh yea, get the nut also! :)

    Also, use anti-seize grease on the bolt, and it should go in easier. (or even regular grease, oil, etc).
    Use latex gloves, and have paper towels to wipe up after the bolt is in.

    In New England, like MI, we have a lot of rusted suspension, and other parts.

    Suspension bolts/nuts are specialty bolts and nuts.
    They have to be strong, but not brittle. Many (typical) strong bolts are more brittle.
    It all depends on what is used to make the bolts, and how they are made. It's for cost reasons, why the typical stronger bolts are more brittle. Imho, no reason to make bolts 5X more expensive, for 0.01% of the applications. Plus, suspension bolts, and other specialty bolts, are almost always custom length anyways.
    So, yes, there are good reasons why some specifications are as they are.

    Good Luck!
     
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    Brittle? Are you talking about brittle or frangible fracture vs. ductile fracture?

    Most all suspension bolts are of high carbon, not medium carbon alloy. A properly annealed high carbon ISO 10.9 or 12.9 grade bolt, from which Toyota chooses, it not tat brittle. It has a degree of ductility.
     
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    Now, I feel unconfident if I would be able to cut the bolt, counting that the only tool that would fit is a Dremel w a small cutting disc, and I want to avoid dropping the suspension frame subset (the way recommended by the Toyota service manual).
     
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    The Dremel abrasive cutting disc would be fine. It will readily cut through that bolt.
     
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    So what's happened your electric impact won't blast that nut loose No kidding I think I've got extras out here mine just blow right out of course I'm not in Michigan or New England anymore so that's the nicety of the SE USA
     
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    You could pick up a cheap, corded angle grinder and cutting wheel, for around $50.
     
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    Doubt you'll get a nut splitter in there so that's probably out without disassembling everything around it melt it with the torch and hammer it out..
     
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    Quick report:

    Firstly I got a new bolt and nut from the Toyota dealership ($10). While trying to cut the old one, I destroyed seven Dremel metal cutting disks – the bolt was marked 11 on a head, and my understanding is that this is equivalent to the grade 8 -medium carbon alloy steel, quenched and tempered.

    Once the head was chopped off, I tried using a hammer and a punch to hammer it inside – but that didn’t work. It feels like it welded together. So, I tried to cut the nut – but there is not much space – and this didn’t help either.

    I decide to move to the garage nearby where you can rent a lift and other tools. I put the car on the lift and, using a small sledgehammer, was trying to move the bolt. After 30 minutes of banging, the garage owner brought an air hammer – and only then was I able to extract the bolt remaining and put a new lower control arm in. Unfortunately, this didn’t fix the clunking noise from the left front wheel, but that is another story..

    I tried torch (mapp gas) with no luck, trying to move the heated bolt with a wrench.
     

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    Just in case you didn’t know: likely need to torque the bolts with car back on the ground. I can see what I can dig up from the repair manual.
     
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    Here you go:
     

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    Thanks. I will try to retorque all bolts with the wheels on the ground tonight.
     
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    I remember those days living up north I do not miss that rust
     
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    Specifically, the control arms have to be "at ride height" (as if the car was on its wheels on the ground) BEFORE you tighten the control arm to body bolts.

    If those bolts are tightened when the car is in the air and suspension is drooping, then the rubber bushings will tear fairly quickly (weeks or months) when the car is on the ground and being driven.

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    Congratulations on getting the bolt out and replaced!
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    It was marked "11"? Not 10.9?
    If so, then the "11" may be a manufacture's custom identification mark.

    That doesn't look like a grade-8, or similar bolt.
    It's likely coated, and at least a grade 10.9.
    For weight, sometimes aluminum/alloy bolts are used.

    Lower control arm bolts, are specialty bolts. Those bolts don't do typical clamping, like a typical bolt does.
    The lower control arm mounting points, and the lower control arm bushing "move/flex/twist".
    Automotive suspension design is a niche design area.


    Fwiw, for future reference, to remove rusted suspension bolts, I suggest using a good sawsall, and Milwaukee sawsall blades.
    Cheaper sawsall blades can, and often do, fracture and throw pieces all around.
    Always use top quality safety glasses with side protection.

    Be careful with heat.
    If the bushing catches on fire, then very toxic gases are released.

    Congrats again!
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    11 is Toyota's designation for an ISO 10.9 J.I.S. or Japan Industrial Standard bolt. It is not aluminum, it is forged and rolled threads carbon steel annealed and plated with a zinc anti-corrosive compound,
     
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    Cool, thanks!

    That all makes sense.
    The new bolt in the picture, looked coated, and not some aluminum alloy. It can be hard to tell with pictures, with lower resolution and focus.
     
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