Featured North Carolina legislator introduces bill to destroy free EV chargers unless also free gas offered

Are you talking about the car to grid conversion? If so, why worry about another couple hundred dollars when you have a big, expensive car in the first place?

 

Being penny wise led to the wealth.

I owe you an apology about citing just "Tesla" instead of "EV." In Dixie, we expect to find Dr. Pepper in the Coke machine. In effect, you were helping us make Tesla the "Coke" of EVs. Works for me.

Bob Wilson

 

The critical part here is the "Away from the business" . If the electric spots are the worst spots on the lot, no one will park in them unless they actually need them. This avoids the need for expensive parking lot attendants and fancy charge reversing software. Harness simple laziness and let it work for you. Besides, the property owner suffers if you mark off good spots and they hardly get used. Businesses will resist electrifying if it hurts business.

Also, if the charger sucks power back out your car, now you are stuck and have to stay and charge all over again, so the spot is still blocked.

 

To those that can only afford a Mirage or Spark, your Prius Prime is a big expensive car. So any PP that hits full at a public charger should be back feeding into the grid if it is still plugged in.

But solutions are already in place for charged up EVs at chargers in many places. The owners get hit with idle or parking fees. Now what is the solution for EVs that don't plug in, and non-plug ins in those charging spaces?

I do like the idea of a manual pump for the fuel in NC summer. The suggestion in the article comments was to just have the pump dispense a cup an hour. That is about equal to the PP's charging rate at Level 2. Most places have laws about leaving pumps unattended. Even a gallon per hour will get onerous under those situations.

The proposed law didn't seem to consider that zoning puts more limits on where gas pumps can go.

 

There may be some who don't mind paying the idle fee, but if saving money isn't a priority, then they'll use the valet parking, which has it's own EV charging stations. Wouldn't do much good for cars that aren't plugged in.

There really needs to be a dozen regular charging stations that aren't free out by the airport gas station.

 

Could just offer cheap slower l2 chargers for the free or low cost option, 12-16amp of 220 is better for grid stability and good for folks that want to park many hours

Heck, I was always elated to have L1 at work

 

I've been saying this for over a decade now. Usual concerns are over cost for the longer runs but most lots already have 208v legs for light poles.

Airport lots simply need to do the same thing but install row after row of cheap L1 charging since time isn't a big factor.

Do folks up north use the 120v receptacles intended for block heaters for L1 charging (bring your own EVSE)?

 

Yes, it’s literally the only public charging option around here

 

Many of the light poles around here are 277v. Either way, light poles are seldom overrated to the point where they can handle a KW being pulled off them, and a breaker will trip somewhere knocking out a handful of Street lights for a few minutes .
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Our poles at work are usually 277 and 30 amps

 

Yea tapping into 277v source w/ a 240/120v switching power supply evse ...... not a good idea.

 

Yeah the 240vac EVSE limit was a rather shortsighted limitation, especially considering the saturation of 3 phase overseas

 

Like different plug types, I think the standards are different overseas for what the grid provides.

Somewhat related, public EVSE for Level 1 and 2 don't have a cord in parts of Eurooe. The car owner provides it. Seems to be more hassle, but it allows things likes EVSE mounted right in the curb.

 

Would make vandalism less profitable

 

I just used free public charging a few minutes ago for the first time in well over a year. The free chargers at the airport are usually full with cars that are done charging and just sitting there.

In this case, I was on my way home from breakfast with friends and it was over 17 miles away. Stopped at a Publix Greenwise Market on the way home to get a couple items. My SOC went from 23% to 33%. If I'd lingered a little longer, I might have gotten enough for the whole trip. Oh well, I get to charge for free at work and very nearly free (solar) at home.

As for paid charging, NO WAY!

 

What if you leave home with your car intentionally NOT fully charged because you are trying to maintain the battery SOC between 20% and 80% to increase the longevity of the battery so you don't have to replace it as often?

Yes, the solution is to fine anyone leaving home with a 100% charged battery who isn't going to use it all that day!

Careful what you wish for.

Mike

 

What if it's a car where, like the Prius, what it calls "fully charged" is already 80%, to take that longevity effect into account?

 

The EV police just have to learn all these details.
Or we can just disregard the whole idea

Mike