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Insulate cabin air intake?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by pasadena_commut, Aug 4, 2022.

  1. pasadena_commut

    pasadena_commut Senior Member

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    When the cabin air is drawn directly from the outside and the car has been in the sun for a while the air coming out of the vents is quite warm. Much warmer than the air outside. The difference feels like at least 10F, perhaps 20F in some instances. That is "hand out the window" versus "hand over the vent" when the car is stopped. Of course it gets very hot under a car's hood, so I wonder where the cabin air intake is located, and if anybody has had success insulating it in order to reduce this unwanted air heating?

    The excess heating goes away if the car is driven on the highway, but even then it takes around 5-10 minutes at speed before ambient temperature air comes out of the vents.

    This makes me recall one feature of my old '65 Corvair fondly. No A/C, but the under dash vent and moveable quarter glass windows

    (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarter_glass)

    kept the cabin reasonably cool even when it was quite hot. As long as the car was moving anyway. Some of my female front seat passengers were a little less pleased on occasion with the fully open under dash vent, as it could inflate a skirt or dress like a balloon. It never went fully "Marilyn Monroe on the grate" because they were always sitting on half the material. The motor was in the back so it didn't heat any of that cabin air.
     
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    Happen to have my wiper covers removed for strut install, left them off to have windshield replaced.

    Grill for vent air outlined in red and happens to be directly under the edge of the windshield/dash area and rear of hood. Any suggestion how you would insulate that area?
     

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    What ambient temps are we talking about here, anything over 80F in the cabin isn't all that good for the HV battery health.

    Keep the windows cracked when parking in the sun/shade, install ceramic tint, and run the AC when temps are above comfort level.
     
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    1) The issue you're dealing with is due to the nature of the giant front windshield that causes a great deal of heating up of the dashboard and all the air duct work underneath it. The location of where outside air gets sucked in is not the issue, it's where it goes through hot plastic ducts after that's the problem.

    Solution: Use a windshield sun shade to reflect the heat away before it hits the dash

    2) Your female friends don't have any concern with where the car's AC is blowing, but probably feel a red flag/uncomfortable about you paying too much attention to wanting their skirt to blow up like Marilyn Monroe.

    Solution: Stop creeping on the ladies and give them way more attentiveness / intimacy in ways that meaningfully builds on a loving connection so they enjoy being with you rather than wondering why you're thinking too much about having a bigger fan.
     
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  5. pasadena_commut

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    Not a lot to work with there.

    Only the top row of intake slots is visible from the outside when the hood is closed, and air through those is going to be sucking hot air right off the hood. The much larger set of intake slots under the hood will be pulling in air heated up by passing by the radiator, motor, and so forth. I suppose I could paint the hood and that part of the intake white, but since the car is already silver gray, changing the hood color wouldn't be much of an improvement. Especially since it looks like the majority of the air may be coming in from under the hood. The duct under all of those intakes is hard to see but it appears to go straight back into the dash. That doesn't seem like a promising avenue either. The only thing I can think of that might help would be to somehow route an insulated duct all the way from the front grill through the engine compartment, around and behind the hinge, and into the air inlet under the hood. It might work, but it looks like more likely it won't.

    We already use a good window screen when the car is parked, heaven only knows how much hotter the air would be without it.

    I don't dwell on Marilyn Monroe, it was just that car really did have great outside air delivery, enough so that I had to warn any female wearing a skirt not to just pull the under dash vent wide open. This was a long, long time ago, in the 1970's.
     
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    Haven't got a Gen 2 to look at here, but went out and looked at my Gen 3, which looks kind of similar. The cowl cover has a visible top row of slots and a less-visible lower row concealed by the edge of the hood, but still taking in outside air from around the hood's back edge. Beneath the hood is a rubber seal keeping hot underhood air away from that area.
     
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    i feel the outside air to be cooler than the hvac air as well
     
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    I use a windshield sunscreen as well as shades on the side and back windows to reduce cabin temperatures. Even with that, the cabin is considerably hotter than the outside. Since the AC reduces the temperature of the air going into it by a certain number of degrees, you want the coolest air available going through the system. That means turning off the recirc when you first start up. That way the air going into the AC isn't as hot. It'll still be hot initially since the ducts are hot, but they'll cool faster with 90º outside air coming in than 110-140º cabin air. Once you get the cabin down under the outside temperature, then switch back to recirc.
     
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    I need to inspect those seals more closely. 15 year old car so any rubber in that location will have been baked every hot day and might have failed. On the other hand, the "outside air" from the vents does cool off eventually so that it is close to the "hand out the window" temperature, at least in highway driving. Hard to guess which would make the area under the hood hotter - baking in the sun or driving the car at 70 MPH. Certainly the wind blowing over/through the car will cool it considerably at that high speed. Well, parts of it. On hot days the windshield glass starts blazing hot and stays that way. Maybe the light metal of the hood cools with a good breeze going over it?
     
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    The rubber in my 2010 is still doing ok.

    Following some other recommendations here, I have been making a point to rub in some Shin Etsu grease (from a Honda dealer parts counter) every couple years or so.

    The piece at the front of the moonroof gets baked mercilessly. I'm trying to nurse that piece along with 303 protectant.
     
  11. pasadena_commut

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    There aren't any gaps in mine, but both the top foam rubber and the bottom "tubular" rubber look pretty squished. I'll have to snake a camera in there (when it is cool enough not to heat stroke) and see if there are actually visible gaps between the two. Is the bottom piece supposed to be glued down all the way across? Mine is firmly attached where there is a screw or fastener through it, and in some other regions, but elsewhere I can pick up the rubber with no effort to make a gap under it for the full length of the region between fasteners..

    That seal does not go all the way to the passenger side. There is a large hole near the fender where hot air could go right around that rubber air dam.
     
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    I think the rubber gasket along the front edge gets squished when the hood is closed not sure though,

    I do know there was a TSB years ago to replace it from it failing and allowing water to spill over onto the top of the engine during a torrential rain.

    When I took the whole dam off to make room fora valve cover gasket replacement I replaced that gasket and used black form a gasket and glued it down.

    Its a good thing to remove that dam once as that rain trough can get pretty clogged from leaves and debris and not drain properly, my car was garaged and still pretty bad. You can then rinse out the drains, there’s 2 one each behind each front wheel.