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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by Prius92, Aug 15, 2022.

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    I don't think 0.045 milli ohms is going to make that much difference. He mentions the nuts making "grooves" in the bus bars, the OEM ones do as well, because there were circular grooves cut into the bus bars when I took the pack apart for the very first time.

    Also he didn't use a torque wrench, just a nut driver, so there is no "control" in his little experiment, if he tightened the bus bars down not as tight with the new nuts, it would increase resistance.

    Should have repeated the experiment 3 times with each bus bar and nuts, to account for discrepancies.

    I can't even find the nuts Toyota uses. I'm not sure if originally they used some kind of securing adhesive, because all flange nuts I can find either have a nylon insert, or serrated. I'm sure as hell not paying $1.20 each for these nuts when 56 are needed.

    It's also interesting..that the Toyota Parts site lists 2 different part numbers for the nuts, with each requiring 28, so it looks like one side of the modules takes a different nut than the other?
     
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    I ordered from 2 different vendors.

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    Toyota parts numbers, not sure what the difference is.
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    Wait..the oem nut is ZINC?!!? That would explain a lot too. You are going to have galvanic corrosion when you have zinc plated nuts and copper bars in presence of moisture/electrolyte.
    What the actual...did the electrical engineers sleep that day?
    No wonder why those original nuts were so grody when I took them off..
     
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    Not my pic, but similar to how the nuts originally looked.

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    Really a stupid system if you ask me..toyota should of used metals that would not of reacted so poorly.

    Also..see that red coloring around the nuts? Do you think they originally used some kind of liquid to secure the nuts in place? I can't imagine non-locking nuts staying tight over 14 years of cold winters, hot summers, 190k miles of bumps, etc.
     
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    Red color on stud and nut is inline. If the nut red is turned offset, it shows that the battery connectors were tampered with, warranty is void.
     
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    So they use nothing to keep the nuts locked in place?
     
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    When properly tightened, those fasteners won't loosen up in normal use. (lots of vibration or high stress is a different story). Everything on my pack was still secure 15 years after it left the factory.

    IDK if the red marker was used during assembly to confirm that the nuts were torqued to spec.

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    I got fed up with strange measurements and bought an new fluke meter. Glad I did...look how much off in voltage it was when hooked to a module.
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    There should be no might about it. Too tight – no good; too loose – no good. Correct torque 48 in*lbs – perfect.
     
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    Well, anti-tampering sharpie marks! - learned something new today.

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    Haven't seen a DVOM that far off in a while.

    I've been a Fluke fanboy for a long time.

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    (y) A year and a half-ish ago, I had the opportunity to compare my 30-year-old never-recalibrated handheld Fluke to an instrument with a current NIST-traceable certificate, and on DC volts it was still totally within spec.

    AC volts were maybe a little fraction of a volt beyond spec, still easily close enough for anything I do....
     
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    Originally wanted an 87V, but they are like $400 new, this was $140 at Lowe's.
     
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    Knock on wood..

    I have had good luck with used Fluke meters on ebay.

    That said, what you have now is a good instrument and will serve well for many years.

    My almost 30 year Fluke 88 works fine, but the housing is "going away". Too much time underhood, in the sun, or falling to the pavement.

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    I have a friend who is an electrical engineer, he said a lot of electrical meters like voltmeters will go out of calibration after so many years. But honestly for hobby stuff it's not a huge deal, but when you are working on mil-spec stuff where you have to be within 0.01 volts I'm sure it pays to have them calibrated every so often.

    They use fluke meters as well.
     
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    you should be aware that your SPERRY voltmeter has the "battery" indicator light on which means that it will give you false readings.

    check your SPERRY owner's manual and replace that 9v battery and see if you have false readings after that.