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  1. Prius92

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    Got battery all put back together and installed.
    Then I got a code for a broken temp sensor. Somehow one of the tiny wires popped off the resistor.
    Tried to glue it back on..no go.

    Throw it back in the car anyway...and now I get P0AFA- Hybrid battery system - low voltage.

    Wth?

    Start up Dr. Prius.

    SOC is 60%...pack voltage 235.32V, Every module over 16 volts. So why am I getting a low voltage error?

    Going to order another temp sensor harness in the mean time, but can't get it out of limp mode due to the P0AFA.

    Yes..I did unplug the 12v and waited to see if it would clear..it didn't. Yes block 12 is a touch low because I ran the discharger on it..but not so low it would be causing errors.

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    P0AFA - you forgot to press down the orange plug!
     
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    Wow, hope I have better luck putting mine back together.

    Check sensor harness plug in battery computer.
     
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    I would think if you didn't slam the orange plug down he wouldn't even be able to get Dr Prius to read the voltages but I'm not sure about that.
     
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    Ya it wasn't latched all the way and that got rid of that code.

    But it still won't clear the red triangle with that busted harness. A replacement is $50 on eBay...I might get a 10Kohm resistor to "trick" the ecu.
     
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    Ordered this:

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    Hopefully I can solder it in without having to take the entire battery apart, as that sensor is on the very first module.
     
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    You sure you cleared the orange triangle code? Many people forget to do that after the Orange safety plug problem is finally corrected.

    Also I appreciate the smarts on replacing the part rather than the whole harness. How did you go about determining part compatibility?

    Usually the recommendation is finding a local battery rebuilder or one on Priuschat to give you a new harness for free. Most rebuilders have a lots of these taking up space.

    Another idea you might want to try is wiring into another one of the thermistors in the pack. I'd be curious to know if that's an option?
     
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    I didn't, lol. Found that from an older thread on here.

    I might give that a try at least on a temp setup first.
     
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    Went back out tonight...all 3 codes have returned. They reappear as soon as I clear them, at least I expect the temp sensor one.
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    New harness I got. Decided to keep the original copper bus bars in place, the other side is the new nickel plated copper ones.
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    Torque wrench I used. $30 at a pawnshop.
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    Found the workup for P0AFA..it has to do with individual blocks and not at the main wiring (big orange wires).
    I am going to inspect more tomorrow in the daylight.
    However, I have a sinking feeling that the shorting between modules may have sent a high amount of voltage into the HV Battery ECU.
    It's $60 on eBay.

    But it's strange my app is seeing all 14 blocks just fine. The workup also states the code is triggered "if one of the blocks reads 2V or below"..which you can see is clearly not the case.

    None of the junk yards around me take apart HV batteries. I doubt some of these Iowa hill billies even know how.

    A lot of them are insanely greedy. One near Cedar Rapids..looking online at parts..they want $125 JUST for the orange plug...
     
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    If nothing else you are 10 messages into an highly entertaining thread, at least for me and hopefully others. And if someone among us could tell us the exact resistor to put in place of a failed thermistor, we'd all be smarter and more accomplished in dealing with this stuff in the future. Of course you could just replace the whole harness? Lol...

    And thanks for starting a solid P0AFA thread, maybe we oughta link over the other related threads?
     
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    I just rebuilt my Gen 2 hybrid battery and I crushed the temp sensor. | PriusChat

    Starting to get the feeling these HV packs wern't really meant to be taken apart more than once. Lots of stuff breaks on the 2nd or 3rd tear down. Lots of stuff could of been designed better. Especially the ultra thin wires and fragile plastic clips for the temp sensors. Would of been a lot easier to put them all on the top. Better yet each module should of had it's own little plug in connector for temperature like some RC and laptop batteries do.

    I'm also going to solder on the wires instead of using those dorky displacement type connectors.
     
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    Every extra dime spent on a mass produced vehicle adds up to millions of dollars in additional long term cost. There's no repairability incentive in the market, but the interest in repairability has been growing quickly ever since farmers were told they can't repair the tractors they buy.

    "As dealers consolidate, the scarcity of repair shops is getting more acute: For every 12,018 farms and 5.3 million acres of farmland, there is just one Deere dealership, U.S PIRG found earlier this year. Some farmers are turning to older tractor models with less-advanced technology because they know they can repair them. Walter Schweitzer, president of the Montana Farmers Union, said in an interview he recently purchased a tractor with 12,000 hours on it because “I knew I could fix it myself.” source: Right to repair movement goes Deere hunting- POLITICO
     
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    My first inclination would be to charge up the module in block 12 which is nearly 0.5 V lower that the best of the others.
     
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    looking at your Dr Prius App, the wires/connection to your blocks are okay. Each block reports the proper voltage with one block considerably low (#12) Note that block monitoring is directly connected to the HV ECU so there are no issues there. Your main issue is how the blocks are connected together and not reporting the correct TOTAL voltage. I think the Dr Prius App just adds up the total voltage of the blocks instead of actually getting the output voltage from the main output (orange wires) What you could do is check the voltages between the disconnect plug (orange plug) you should get 110 volts (or close) on each side. Start by checking the output voltage at the main terminal (220v), then the orange plug halves (110v), then the relative voltages between blocks (start with 1st block then 2nd block (32v, 48v, 62v...) You might have a bad connection there and definitely not the sense wires..
     
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    I also noticed you're just using a scanner using ODB2 mode, this is like shooting darts in the dark. Get a scanner that can read the HV Battery module or Techstream. OBD2 gives you very limited data on error codes (only ECT/ECM module is read) with limited data you can only guess what's wrong.
     
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    NexCell modules have that
    There's lots of apps out there that do this via OBD2... Car Scanner app seems to be the latest favorite.
     
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    Had a break in the rain and took the battery out.

    Took the hybrid ECU apart and checked the board for any signs of blown surface mount components. Nose makes for a good tool as well, as previous electronic experiments prove SMD's tend to put out a lot of smoke.

    Oh..if you can't find one at a local JY, Toyota will gladly sell you one for $900! (another reason why this stuff shouldn't be automatically included with a battery pack.

    What looks like melting is actually a coating to keep out moisture.
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    However module 23 was at 7.74 volts, when all the other cells were 8.3-8.9V, so it's being charged up. Not sure if the low voltage caused the error or not.

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    I also checked every connection on the new wire frame with my meter to see if there was any issues..all showed normal resistance.
     
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    Looks super clean... Suspect the corrosion problems are regional, based on humidity... Looks like Prius in Iowa don't have the same problem we have in the ultra near year-round humidity of the Pacific Northwest.