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200K Miles. Everything is great but it ran through a 2 year old 12v ??

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by Graciela E., Sep 29, 2022.

  1. Graciela E.

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    I've had a used 2010 Toyota Prius for 4 years now. I love it so much & I regularly maintain it myself. but some things are out of reach for me.

    A rattling noise happens sometimes in extremely cold weather upon starting it and it either stops completely after turning it off & back on again or it fades quickly & runs fine after a minute or so of running. It has only happened a handful of times so i chalked it up to the cold weather... happens at the front drivers side part of the vehicle.

    I replaced the original battery 2 years & 2 weeks ago with a duralast platinum 12V. Now i know it's under warranty and i can replace it but i am suspecting something else is up since after only 2 short years the battery was dead this morning. I jumped it just fine but id rather stop a problem dead in its tracks before it gets any worse & causes more issues.

    what i'm most confused about now is after jumping it this morning it has turned off / on numerous times with no problem and it's holding a charge. im going back to autozone after work to do a load test on the 12V and possibly replace it but

    is there anything else you all can see may be going wrong ? ...
     
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    If you're lucky, the battery issue may have been merely a loose connection at a battery terminal. Any chance a door wasn't fully closed? That can run down the battery within a couple of days.

    Have you heard the engine "rattling noise" since last winter?
     
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    It rattled maybe once very mildly for 5 seconds upon start up since last winter but since it's gotten cooler here I think that may be why as well, still it's only on one side and when it's bad it rattles so hard the entire car shakes including the poor panel at the front. it's almost funny...

    I just tested the battery and it was surprisingly faulty when we load tested it... i asked the man and he said, "that's why we have a warranty on them."

    I figured it sat on the shelf but i don't believe that could be why it was shot so quickly. I changed the 12V and things seem to be working a lot better. Im just hoping the vehicle itself didn't kill the battery somehow. Thank god for womens intuition or i wouldn't know about the door ajar, i made sure everything was secured and lights were off the night before because i had a funny feeling i should triple check.

    It seems for now the 12V was the only issue. Once i move i'll be doing a full EGR cooling system cleanse because i'll be closer to family in case i need a ride. I have a feeling that could be contributing somehow.

    im not too sure at all... im hoping it's as simple as it seems right now
     
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    How many miles are on this vehicle and where is it driven the state?
     
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    Now you're over here in my area somewhere Virginia doesn't really get too cold there It doesn't really hear in central North Carolina either I would be monitoring that rattling and or bucking. This is the precursor to the dreaded head gasket failure and one of your plugs may be taking on some water vapor you might want to look now get it warmed up shut it off pull the plugs or at least pull the coils and see which one has all the rust and yuck in it maybe two then pull those plugs and have a look for water droplets on the two rusty coil holes The other two will probably be okay it's the one that'll be showing rust vapor red all over the coil top of the plug the whole well
     
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    192k mid east coast US. it dropped to 60 here very suddenly after 90 degree weather
     
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    Once a store gets the batteries, they don't charge them unless someone asked them too.
    They will discharge on there own from just sitting. Best to do a 12 hour charge at 4 amps or less.
    They you know it has a full charge. They inverter charges very slowly so unless you drive it for
    8 or so hours they battery won't get a full charge.
    Hopefully, this is the only problem you have with it.
     
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    gotcha i know the plugs may need some help it's a pretty beat up vehicle. i love it to death but i certainly don't drive like a prius owner LOL.
     
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    Cold start rattle and 200k miles (presumably EGR never cleaned), you may have coolant getting past the head gasket, into a cylinder.

    See first link in my signature for the EGR. It’s best done by 100k miles.

    Is engine coolant level stable in the reservoir stable?
     
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    We run the crap out of ours too My girlfriend drives the three and it doesn't go through 12 volts generally not at all of course all of our lights and tail lights and everything on the car is LED even the interior bulbs and anything else we could possibly do to not be using much from the 12 volt we've tried to do but you know all the computers need it and our inverter seems to be charging it well so we let it go next we'll be using one of the UB batteries there's so much cheaper see what that does I've used them in other things with great luck
     
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    I’ve heard of reckless driving but that one takes the cake- Driving through a 12v battery :eek:
     
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    Almost guaranteed to be a head gasket on a 2010 with that many miles. While a spark plug "could" mimic that behavior it would be rattling longer than just for a few seconds on a cold start.

    Two things are important to avoid being stranded with an engine failure:

    1. Never run the car for more than two minutes if the temperature light comes on. You have an all aluminum engine that warps quickly when overheated. Verify the coolant level in the passenger side of the engine compartment.

    2. Never run the car out of oil. Check the oil every fillup for a month or two to get an idea how much is being consumed. These engines are bad about oil consumption.

    It would be a good idea to find an independent mechanic with Prius experience. They can save you 50% on major repairs versus the dealer.
     
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    It seems like you're asking about why the 12 volt battery might be bad and yet people are responding about your startup sounds. These are two different problems and if you're not a mechanic the diagnostic procedures are over your head. Who's the parasitic draw test.

    But you also have to diagnose a startup knock and you haven't got a copy of text dream and you don't have the necessary tools to do the differential diagnosis. You're going to have to give this car to somebody with the experience to do the differential on the startup knock
     
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    She solved the battery problem with a new warranty replacement.
     
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    That's not solving the problem. If the battery went bad in two years you have to figure out why. Just replacing the battery doesn't fix the problem
     
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    If the battery was defective, the 12v battery problem is resolved.
    If it was something else putting excess stress or draw on the battery, then it is not.
     
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    Thanks for everyone's responses. Unfortunately the military will not ship your vehicles stateside so for everyone saying i drive like a mad woman, yes i do, i had to. But this car is incredibly reliable for the crap it's been through. Im cleaning the throttle body injector assembly & replacing some gaskets. i've done a lot of research the past few weeks and found the issue. ordered some parts & im fixing it tomorrow. EGR isn't the problem thankfully.



    love the advice. already ran thru all of this in my head because when something goes wrong with my car, i won't stop thinking about it even in the back of my mind until i've figured it out. thankfully the prius death rattle is simply carbon build up in the TBI for me & a dirty nasty sensor. it could have been a lot worse... i was scratching my head for a second there tho
     
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    funny... i watched this video. & yes you are pretty much the only person who answered my real question. then again it was lost in the sauce. the rattle was fairly easy to figure out. i was just lost on how a battery could've gone dead so quick, i don't like to assume it just lost charge on a shelf. but honestly, that's the only explanation. i couldn't locate any parasitic draw
     
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    If the battery goes bad every 2 years we have to assume there's a parasitic draw until we can prove there is not. Just replacing the battery is a Band-Aid. Of course it's possible she was sold an old battery or some other possibility. But the diagnostics are required. You cannot just simply replace the battery without knowing why it went bad prematurely.