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Coolant High Temperature Warning

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by dutchrhino, Oct 15, 2022.

  1. dutchrhino

    dutchrhino Junior Member

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    Recently purchased a Gen 3 Prius with 260k miles. It was from someone who commuted over 5 hours per day and everything seemed to be in great shape. He recently had the head gasket replaced, water pump, thermostat, spark plugs, ignition coils, brakes, rotors, pretty much the works.

    Recently, however, when I take the car on the highway the red coolant high temp warning will start blinking and if I don't get off the highway will stay lit. It never seems to be an issue driving off the highway (55-60 is fine). Only when on the highway does it come on. I've read a lot of threads in here already- made sure that in fact the thermostat is working by checking the inlet and outlet from the reservoir. I can also visually see coolant circulating in the reservoir. I put the vehicle in maintenance mode to do the air bleeding (10 min once at temp with HI heat turned on) and that did seem to take some coolant and I topped it back up afterwards. I also verified that the radiator fans turned on. I observed via OBDII while in maintenance mode that the "engine coolant temperature" would get up to ~215F and then drop down to ~204F. But still got the coolant high temp warning on the highway after doing the bleeding. One thing that does seem weird to me is that when I've taken the car out to test a "fix" I put the heat on HI and blasted it- the car never got hot and it really only ever spit out warm air, never hot. Another thing I've noticed is that there seems to be a "gurgle" coming from behind the dash.

    I have had the vehicle hooked up to OBDII while driving and the "engine coolant temperature" is ~245-250F when it starts blinking. I think the thermostat for the prius is 180/185F? What should be the normal reading be for "engine coolant temperature" while driving?

    Another note- I thought about replacing the coolant temperature sensor but it looks new to me, like it's also already been replaced.

    Looking for anything to try and diagnose what is going on or to try and fix the issue. Also no engine codes are being thrown.
     
  2. Mendel Leisk

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    With those miles, and mention of head gasket replacement, could be previous owner also used a stop-leak product, say during the head gasket failure period.

    With at least some of these stop-leak products a 50/50 mix of white vinegar and water is recommended (by stop-leak product manufacturer) to dissolve and flush the product.

    Perhaps drain a coolant sample (from radiator drain) and check it’s condition, look for “globules”. If they’re found, mix with aforementioned 50/50 mix and see what happens.

    If this is happening, and you go through with a flush, then follow up with straight water flushed, you will end up with the system with trapped water, no coolant. There’s a link in my signature about strategies for this.

    It’s my belief that carbon-clogged EGR system is the cause of virtually all third gen head gasket failures. Right or wrong, it is worth checking and cleaning, both the EGR components and the intake manifold. See link in my signature.

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    Do you have a temp gun that you can shoot before and after the thermostat housing the water coming out of the head pipe going into the big rubber pipe to drop into the radiator to drop down and be cooled maybe you can isolate where the high temperature is or is beginning and continuing and then drops just enough to get barely pass the red light and that's pretty dangerous sitting in the 205 to 240 range That's up there even with pressure in the system that's still on up there when you turn that off you should almost hear gurgling in the jug under the hood on the passenger side where all the coolant generally goes and the two skinny hoses on top of that jug at that point will be untouchable and at this point at those temperatures whoever's reporting them I would expect the top radiator rubber hose it's about an inch and a quarter inch and a half the big one and the bottom one to be very hot and usually when I see a bunch of this problem right after the thermostat housing will be cool I can hold that hose but go up to the top hose the metal part is untouchable and even the rubber portion when it turns to rubber will be untouchable to the human hand extremely hot so it seems like water is not circulating is what I'm generally thinking The water pump is usually messing up or turning too slow but that all has its own codes. Maybe it's time to look at the thermostat It can be tested in its housing It looks kind of cheaply made this spring and bracket and all this mess but it is what it is I wonder what would happen like in other cars if I took it out or put in a 5/8 restrictor plate in place of the thermostat I need to try that in one of these two Z's.
     
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    Per the repair manual, the thermostat should be fully closed at 77 ℃, starting to open at 80 to 84 ℃, fully open (10 to 14 mm valve lift) by 95 ℃. 95 ℃ is also where the cooling fans turn on (if there isn't some other reason they're on anyway, like the A/C operating). I normally see around 89 to 93 ℃ on the highway.

    If you're getting up to 120 ℃ where the warning light comes on, that coolant is plenty hot. If it were flowing well through your heater core, you'd be blasting really hot air. If it were flowing well through the radiator, it shouldn't be staying that hot.

    Mendel might be on to something with the possibility that someone could have poured glop into the cooling system.
     
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    Even 215f is too hot especially at a low rpm operation such as maintenance mode. I have a digital gauge I have watched over the last three years and it takes 70 mph on a 105f day with ac blasting to break 200f. The highest I have ever seen once was 208f on a similar day when climbing a steep private road after freeway driving. Normally it is 195f under summer highway driving which quickly drops to 180f at stop lights.

    So your situation is showing excessive temperatures in all engine operational modes. I would not experiment with diy solutions. Your engine is at high risk.

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  6. dutchrhino

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    Mendel you are a godsend. I didn't even think of someone using stop leak but wow I think he used multiple. TLDR- I basically did your flush suggestion but with a chemical mixture instead of just vinegar and water.

    Long story... I ended up having to take off the reservoir and power flush it because it had stone sized chunks and soooo much "globules" in it! Same when I drained the radiator- tons of globules. Because of how bad it was- I didn't use water and vinegar. I ended up using Irontite ThoroFlush. Pretty hash stuff but given what I saw come out of the coolant reservoir I didn't want to take any chances with stuff not getting flushed out. I am a little concerned at what damage Irontite ThoroFlush could have done to some of the internals- but that was a risk I was willing to take.

    I now have heat, really really hot heat and while driving on the highway the coolant temperature stayed around 186 and highest it got up to was 194.

    Also had a bit of a hiccup while trying to replace the coolant temperature sensor. It appeared to me like it had a very very very slight leak. When I touched it- it was always wet and I saw coolant underneath. Turns out I believe that it was replaced before but didn't get replaced with a washer and therefore they over-tightened it to compensate. When I went to break it loose the head snapped right off and was left in the engine block... Luckily it was pretty easy to get out and then replaced properly. Not wet anymore :)
     

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