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red triangle light coming on - but only at higher speeds (30-40 mph or higher)

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  1. Edmond Dantès

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    As I was driving home a while ago, just a couple of miles from home, the red triangle with the exclamation point inside it came on. I was going 49 mph, and noticed that the warning light turned back off after going under 40 or so. Then when going back above 40 it came on again. It seemed that each time the threshold got a bit lower - as I was driving the last mile on the street where I live, it seemed to come on at about 30 instead of 40.

    I had noticed a trail of pink fluid in the garage and driveway earlier in the day, so I checked the ground again and it appears to still be leaking whatever it was leaking (I can't tell for certain, but the pink fluid on the garage/driveway now seems to be fresh, as I'm assuming that the fluid from several hours ago would have dried by now).

    Also, this may or may not be related - but I have the oil burning problem that most of these Priuses do after a lot of miles (233,000 in the case of my 2008 Prius), and I had the yellow check engine light come on recently, so I added some oil and the light disappeared after a while (not immediately, it always seems to take a while for some reason). Oddly, the yellow check engine light came back on again, after disappearing, a couple days later... so I added some more oil, just earlier today.

    It's getting close to oil change time, so I will go get the oil changed tomorrow morning - just to rule that out as having anything to do with the red triangle light... and also go to O'Reilly to see if they can check the error code, since my mechanic (and all other mechanics) won't be able to look at it until Monday.

    I thought I'd report on this just here, just to see if this was a somewhat common problem - like the oil burning problem - that people might be familiar with. Thanks in advance for any input or advice.
     
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    The check engine light does not mean the car is out of oil, it's an emissions light. Are you checking the dipstick to see the oil level when you're adding it?

    The pink fluid is probably what is causing the triangle. You have a leak somewhere and when the car is overheating, the triangle comes on briefly. So to fix the problem, you should not drive the car until you find the cause of the pink coolant leak, fix it, and fill the coolant back up to the proper levels.

    Transmission fluid is kinda reddish, so you'll have to figure out what's leaking
     
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    Yes, I'm aware that the yellow check engine light could mean a variety of things. However, I do know that the car burns oil (have been told by the person changing the oil that there is almost no oil left) - and yes, I am checking the oil before adding any, and it is always very low. The yellow check engine light does go away after adding oil - though not immediately, for whatever reason.

    I figured it was probably nothing to do with the oil burning problem, and that it's probably whatever is leaking, but I just wanted to mention it to cover all the possibilities.

    I didn't think of it initially (when posting originally), but I seem to recall now that the red triangle has appeared before, many months ago... but after turning the car off it never came back again, until now.
     
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    Good Lord you say you keep adding oil but you never say you're checking the oil? Don't just keep adding oil you'll overfill the engine and cause engine lock and rod breakage and that sort of damage. You need to check the oil on level ground after the engine has not turned over for about 5 minutes so that most of the oil can settle into the pan and you can get a good read on the yellow ended oil dipstick. You want to be on the full mark or up to a line or two below it never over it never. The red fluid you described is probably your inverter fluid but you need to check all the jugs that should be showing pink the inverter the radiator right on top front of radiator IE coolant expansion tank . Find that leak fassst. Don't keep leaving trails of Pink fluid throughout your routes and some states you could be fine they can consider that hazardous waste if they like seriously you need to stop that leak that will probably turn your light off but you should probably also read the codes or somebody should that may tell you a lot.
     
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    Did you not read what I just wrote, in response to the other person?

    Of course I'm checking the oil before adding... it's so quick and easy, who wouldn't do that? I didn't explicitly mention it initially because I figured that anyone reading would assume I was checking it, as opposed to assuming I wasn't checking it. Does every expert here think that anyone asking questions here is the equivalent of the person calling for tech support and asks where the "Any" key is?

    Sheesh.

    And yes, I'm going to take it to the mechanic first thing Monday morning, which I alluded to wanting to do but not being able to because it is a weekend. But of course you're assuming the worst again and you actually think I'm going to drive around carelessly until the car is on fire...
     
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    Actually, once you're two quarts low on oil in a Gen2 Prius you'll get a check engine light and error code for misfire, but it's not a misfire, it's the crankshaft bearings running rough / vibrating too much because they're not getting enough oil.
     
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    You should be able to see the leak kind of like the mechanic. Unless he's a Prius regular he's going to look just like anybody else and try to find where the trail is coming from and you would be surprised how many people would just add oil because of lights on. It's not as silly as you think some people just see a light and say well I'll add a court that's the universal container dump that in the light should go away even more than that they'll try that and then dump another cord in thinking they didn't put enough yeah it's true and it's hilarious
     
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    I got the oil changed yesterday morning, just to rule that out as having anything to do with the problem (it was getting close to oil change time anyway - almost 5000 miles). The yellow check engine light is still on, constantly, and the red triangle "!" still comes on at higher speeds. The guy at Walmart who changed the oil said the fluid looked like coolant to him, which would make sense since the red triangle seems to come on more often and at lower speeds as the car is left on longer, but we'll see what my mechanic says tomorrow morning.
     
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    Here's what the reddish fluid looks like. When I felt it, it was not oily or greasy or thick at all - it felt pretty much like water. (There are two streaks only because I don't always park in the exact same place in the garage.)

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    Coolant I'd be tempted to look at coolant hoses to and from nipples on inverter and it's pump the lines cross over the trans n engine front and could be dripping. Either jug of coolant could show low or lower than before . If known were it was.
     
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    Check the coolant levels - both in the radiator itself, and in the inverter reservoir. Top it up before driving the car any further. If it leaks a bunch, consider getting a tow to the mechanic's shop, as overheating the engine can damage it.

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    radiator coolant reservoir is empty :eek:

    inverter reservoir appears full

    Yellow check engine light and red triangle no longer coming on now, after adding coolant... until it leaks out again
     
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    What he said.
     
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    Did you check and top up the level in the radiator? (not just the reservoir?)

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    No, I didn't.

    After adding the coolant, the coolant quickly leaked back out again and the yellow and red warning lights came back on.

    I took it to the mechanic this morning, and he found where the leaks were coming from... It wasn't too bad, thankfully, $128.62 for the part - which the dealer where he went to pick it up at happened to have in stock (apparently a common problem), $100 labor (very honest mechanic, that's why I've been going to him for a couple years now for any problem), $15 miscellaneous tools used in the repair = $243.62

    Here's the part that was replaced, just the top part, not the tube which was just transferred to the new part. He didn't even know what to call it, he said it was a water valve or something like that.

    The yellow check engine light stayed on after the part was replaced, but after he hooked up the code reader it went away by itself, and now it (and the red triangle) no longer come on, even at high speeds. :)
     
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    Glad you got it fixed. That part is the "3-way valve", it controls coolant flow to the coolant heat storage tank (thermos bottle that keeps some coolant hot for a couple days- it helps the engine "warm up" faster after a cold start).

    That valve fails fairly often, but usually has electrical problems- haven't heard of one leaking until now.

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    Yeah, he showed me there were two cracks where the coolant was leaking out.

    After getting it replaced, the leaking stopped, but oddly I was still getting the red triangle of death at higher speeds... but much higher speeds compared to before - so it only came on around 70 mph instead of 30-40 mph previously. Also, the heater wasn't working right - something new that didn't happen before the 3-way valve was replaced.

    I saw that one of the red triangle of death causes was low oil pressure, and oddly the oil was low even though I had just gotten it changed at Walmart 5 days ago (he told me another person's car he looked at also had low oil after a recent oil change at Walmart - I may have to consider going elsewhere for oil changes in the future), so he added oil, but the problem persisted - both the red triangle and heater.

    I did a search while he was working on another vehicle, and one of the possible causes of heater not working was low coolant - but the coolant was no longer leaking and was not low. Then I saw this:

    "Sometimes when a thermostat goes bad, it stays stuck open. This allows the coolant to continuously enter the engine. When this happens it'll feel like the heat is barely working or you may notice that it'll work if the vehicle isn't moving but if you get on the highway it stops working."

    This seemed to be a similar pattern to how my Prius' heater worked at some times but not other times, so I brought this to his attention, and when he finished with the other vehicle he took out the thermostat to look at it (quite difficult as it was very hard to get to) and indeed it was damaged. He replaced it, and the red triangle of death no longer appears at highway speeds and the heater works all the time now.

    Since the thermostat didn't seem to be problematic before recently, I'm wondering if it going bad now has anything to do with the 3-way valve leaking coolant and driving around with low/no coolant for a short time. Anyway, it cost me another $163.34 total - $28.34 for the thermostat, $15 for miscellaneous repair tools, $120 for labor (he only charged me 1.2 hours even though the guideline said 1.8 hours of labor), not terrible, considering I was starting to look online for a replacement used Prius before the 3-way valve replacement, not knowing if the red triangle would be able to be resolved or if it would be too costly to be worth it.
     
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    There might still be some air in the main (engine) coolant loop after all that work. It is kind of a PITA to get all the bubbles out, especially in the short time it was in the shop. On mine I marked the overflow tank half way up with a sharpie and just kept adding coolant into the radiator until it stopped falling. Took a couple of days and it has been stable ever since. Be sure you use the correct coolant. Both cooling loops use the same stuff.

    As long as you are poking around in there, if you have some pH paper or coolant test strips verify that the pH is above 8 on that fluid, that is, that it is not worn out. Unless your mechanic just replaced it all, in which case you are good to go.
     
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    Either there's still air in the heater loop, or it's also possible that a couple hoses were inadvertently swapped on the 3-way valve.

    I might want to know what codes were set along with the master warning light.

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    The only code I remember was P1116, something to do with the coolant system.