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Cat Stolen on my 2015 Prius, but aftermarket Cat doesn't have coolant line?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Main Forum' started by Frank4u381, Dec 9, 2022.

  1. Frank4u381

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    Hello, my friends, I got this terrible crime happened to my 2015 Prius in New York and now I got serious problem regarding the special Gen 3 Prius CAT, because starting from Gen 3, CAT has added the Heat Circulation System on the CAT, but all current aftermarket CAT has no coolant line connections! So, If I buy aftermarket CAT to install, what should I do with those two cut off coolant line? Now my engine has no coolant to cool down, got high temp light on my dashboard.

    So, my question is if I install the aftermarket Catalytic Converter without the coolant circulation system, what should I do with those two coolant lines? Can I just use a hose to connect those two lines so that at least my engine will run with coolant to protect the running engine? But I may get engine light on and NO HEAT at all in my cabin throughout the cold winter in New York? Any expert, please help! Urgent! What should I do with those two cut off coolant lines if I install the aftermarket catalytic converter without any coolant line hose connection?

    Thank you so much! Please help urgently! God bless all of you!
     
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    In theory you can just connect those two lines together and everything will be fine. You'll only have slightly less MPG on cold starts for lack of this heating feature.

    But in practice there's probably a smarter place to cut and connect these lines with better than normal hardware then just guessing DIY style. Perhaps stop by some local muffler shops and inquire about their method? Or perhaps someone on here has already worked on this challenge and they'll post soon?
     
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    Thanks for your quick reply! Man! I spent two days to visit all most 20 muffler shops in Quees, NY and they said they never saw this kind of design! They cannot do it unless I buy a new one directly from Dealer which I called and the price is $2200 plus 3-6 months back order. I am in such a bad luck that looks like every shop only knows about the Gen 2 CAT without these heat circulation system, everyone is shaking his head that they cannot do it and they don't even understand where these two lines come from and what for! Looks like Gen 3 CAT just got stolen very recently! I didn't pay attention to it! They only look for Prius to steal these CATS because most of Uber and food delivery use Prius and very hot in the market for resale of CATS! Unbelieveable!
     
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    No you're just putting those two lines together to complete the circuit of the coolant If you were to do this in anything else like an air conditioning system or another water system and you remove a component that liquid or coolant flows through and you're going to eliminate that component you have to make that coolant still get from point A hose to the other b hose usually a barb fitting and two clamps and if you trim the hose back enough you can pin it against the firewall or against other components that don't move to hold it up with panduit straps or zip ties as most people call them and then you're golden forever you lose a couple miles to the gallon for a couple minutes at best while the car preheats so when you're New York winners you'll need to get in the car and get them moving right smartly so the car will get heat it will take 8 minutes longer or something..
     
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    Hello, I asked the Muffler guy put in the converter today, he also used a hose to connect both the inlet and outlet of the two cut hoses by the thief. Now my car leaked all the coolant right away! All the coolant is gone! I have wait for tomorrow for the shop to open to see where the coolant is leaking from! I got red temperature light flashing for overheat engine!

    So, anyone has an idea where the coolant is leaking from? Is it possible leaking from the hose connection between the cut of the inlet and outlet of the hoses to the original Catalytic Converter connections? It is really making this a dreaded situation for me! These thieves must be arrested and prosecuted! How can they commit such a terrible crimes to our prius! I hated this!

    Sorry for my anger!
     
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    maybe he forgot to clamp the hose
     
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    Yeah, shouldn't be too hard to track down a leak like that.

    Just to stir the pot a little, it's not really strictly necessary to connect those two lines together down there. You could also consider just plugging them. The reason has to do with the way all the coolant lines are routed.

    It's not super easy to see in this diagram, but the double-pipe thing 87208 is what carries the coolant (on its way back from the cabin heater core in hose 87245A) down to the EHRS (through hose 87245C), and the heated-up coolant coming back from EHRS (hose 87246C) comes back up the other pipe of the double-pipe thing. From there it passes through hoses 87246B and A, and joins the coolant flow at the forward end (exit) of the EGR cooler (25601L), returning to the water inlet nipple (the one that bypasses the thermostat).

    But if you look again at that double-pipe thing, you see another nipple that tees off from it with the coolant on the way down. That coolant, instead of going through EHRS, just takes the hose 87245B and goes straight to the EGR cooler (25601L again!) by the nipple at its aft (inlet) end. This is the coolant flow that actually cools the EGR (which is why it isn't sent down to the EHRS to get hotter first). After passing through the cooler it rejoins the other path on its way to the water inlet thermostat bypass.

    So if you just plugged the two EHRS ends of that double pipe down under the car, you would not be blocking any coolant flow totally off. It would just all be forced to take the other path through 87245B and the EGR cooler.

    Finally, if you compare the two options (join those two ends to each other with a hose, as most people are doing, or just stopper them off so all the flow is through the EGR cooler), you'll realize neither option is really quite right.

    As designed, the system has two parallel coolant paths there, one through the EHRS and one through the EGR cooler, which means the flow is proportioned between them according to the flow resistance of each path.

    If you join the two ends with just a short hose (very low flow resistance), overall flow in the total circuit will be increased, but it'll mostly be going through your bypass hose, and you'll have stolen a bit of flow from the EGR cooler.

    If you just plug those two ends, so the only path left is through the EGR cooler, it will be getting plenty of (all the) flow, but the total flow through the circuit will be reduced some.

    Because the cabin heater core is the first part of that circuit, you might notice slightly better flow through the heater in the join-em-with-a-hose case, or slightly lackluster heating in the just-plug-em case.

    The fix that would make an engineer smile would be to connect those two ends with a hose and a bit of restriction, chosen to have the same flow resistance as the original EHRS exchanger. Then you will end up with the same overall flow through the cabin heater, and the same portion going through the EGR cooler.

    But it might not be necessary to worry about it that much. I don't think any of the other folks in your situation have.

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    I was going to say just use a flow restrictor or a smaller barbed fitting inserted in between the two hoses like a restrictor plate and a thermostat of a race car but now we're going to do that with a barbed fitting so you slow down the water going through the restrictor creating near the same resistance path as it would have when all the nonsense was plugged up like the factory yep pretty spiffy. I used to use restrictor plates and high performance street cars long time ago and like in the '60s and '70s when lots of folks didn't understand certain things about thermodynamics and what have you.
     
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    Thanks for all your replies so much! I am waiting for the mechanic to check where it is leaking all the coolant from in such a speed that most of coolant gone in few minutes! I hoped the connected hose setup can resolve the issue, now I probably got the radiator broken and leaking the coolant! I will wait and see what the mechanic can find out where the leak is from. Thank you so much!
     
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    Really sucks that a lowlife stole your cat. Did you have a cat shield on it or some other type of protection?