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EGR system cleanout

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Technical Discussion' started by donzoh1, Dec 27, 2022.

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    I've found quite a bit of clogging and carbon buildup in the intake manifold and EGR assembly. I'm planning to clean with carb cleaner and an ultrasonic bath for the parts that will fit.

    The spring pin moves freely in the EGR valve but there is quite a bit of carbon buildup. I know the TSB calls for a new manifold and valve but this would be around 1400.00 or so if I use OEM parts so that won't happen. I figure I shouldn't clean the plastic servo and housing since that has electronics inside. Is that correct and is there a risk of damaging the EGR cooler, manifold, or the rest of the valve with cleaner or ultrasonic bath? I'm thinking that should be fine.
     
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    The valve actuator is nothing more than a six-terminal stepper motor whose rotor spins on the threaded valve pintle. It's pretty robust. If you open it up you'll see there's not much involved there.

    Of course you want to avoid any kind of cleaning in that area that would strip the lube from the pintle threads or the two ball bearings of the rotor.

    Opening it up is good anyway, to check the condition of the 'ski jump' rotation stop inside the rotor, which sometimes gets mashed.

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    The electronics for driving the thing are all in the ECM, not in the valve itself.
     
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    Yeah shelve the parts cannon, just clean everything. Gasket replacement is not mandatory. I did replace the intake manifold gaskets second time around (at 95K kms), but I think it was overkill.

    For cleaning, what worked for me:

    For the EGR cooler I corked one end end and filled with a concentrated solution of hot tap water and Oxi-Clean Versatile Cleaner (powdered laundry additive). Let sit about an hour, drain, rinse, repeat. About 5 sessions thus it was like new. To be fair, I got on the cleaning very early (around 70K kms), and followed up just recently (95K kms). With more entrenched carbon more mechanical methods, harsher caustics (oven cleaner, lye solution), and/or a pressure washer, may be needed. The cooler is 100% stainless steel, so immune to the somewhat corrosive properties of this cleaner.

    For the EGR valve I used brake cleaner (a little more benign than "carb" cleaner) with rags and brushes, worked fine. Do be careful with the electronics, just deal with the carbon; don't spray indiscriminately.

    For the EGR pipe I also used brake cleaner, brushes and rags. Being stainless steel, you could use Oxi, but it'd be overkill.

    For the intake manifold, again just brake cleaner, brushes and rags. Oxi, being caustic, will be hard on its metal inserts.

    First couple of links in my signature have more information.

    What's the miles btw?
     
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    My mechanic wants to run 'SeaFoam' in one of the vacuum intakes to flush the EGR, once a year.
     
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    The Seafoam will have been magically converted into exhaust by the time it even reaches any of the EGR components.
     
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    yeah, I saw those two bearings and thought I could screw those up if I took the cleanup too far. below the plastic there really isn't much of a mess going on anyway.
     
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    I might like to bench test that if possible but not sure how to do that. I see there are six pins for the connector.
     
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    You can do it with a 12 VDC supply and a couple of SPDT pushbuttons. Take a look at this post and this one.
     
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    I took the assembly apart and noticed some of the ski jump seems compromised. I don't see much lube left on the threads either. Would a silicone lube work?
     
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    I think the motor has around 100K but it's a junkyard replacement so not sure on that. I'm planning leak down test and maybe get a look at cylinder walls though.
     
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    Actually ski jump looks pretty good but I had mistaken some of the white lube for chips or breaks. What lube would be good there and on the threads?
     

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    I've never seen anything bad happen to the original white lube, other than some of it ending up in places where it isn't lubing anything. I just scoop it up from those places and put it back on the threads. Saves any worry about what's compatible with it.

    It kind of looks like a garden-variety white lithium, but I prefer to just reuse it so I don't have to guess.
     
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    Yeah, there is enough in there that I think I can just move some onto the threads. On a related note, I was taking some sensor clips loose and my daughter was helping me. She was under the car and I wasn't supervising properly. Anyway, the timing chain tensioner came out! I'm guessing I need to pull the timing chain cover to get that back together. Do you know whether that could be just inserted again? My thought was that the tensioner extended completely and probably the only way to get that back in would be timing chain cover removal.
     
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    I don't think anything moved but things were not number 1 at TDC so not sure on that.
     
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    It's easier than that. Squeeze the tensioner plunger back in, and look for the little hook you can swing into place to hold it there. Reinsert the tensioner that way and bolt it down. Then apply a bit of reverse motion (counterclockwise, looking at the crankshaft end) to the crankshaft, which puts tension on the stretch of chain that's against the tensioner, and pushes it in so the hook drops away. Then turn the crankshaft back in the forward direction a bit, and you should hear the tensioner ratchet back out.

    Have you got the valve cover off so you can see the timing marks on the cam sprockets?

    Once you have the tensioner back in place and the hook released, you can gently, carefully turn the crankshaft forward until all the marks are aligned, and confirm everything stayed in time. But do this very gently and stop if you feel resistance.

    You can take out the spark plugs so there's no compression. That way you won't be fooled by the force needed to turn the crank against compression. With the plugs out, you should be able to turn the crankshaft easily by hand; it shouldn't feel much different from a sewing machine.

    The painted chain links will not be on their sprocket marks every time you see them. That's normal. They'll be on the proper marks every ninth time they go by. So if it doesn't look right the first time you see them, you could have to keep turning until they've come around as many as 8 more times worst case, about 4 times on average.

    If they go by nine times and were never on the proper marks any of those times, your timing is off.
     
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