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Red Triangle after car sits for 2-3 days

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Technical Discussion' started by Bart A Hammontree, Jan 29, 2023.

  1. Bart A Hammontree

    Bart A Hammontree Junior Member

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    Hello

    My 2005 Prius has an issue where it will throw several dash lights after it sits undriven for 2-3 days. It will usually start up OK, but shortly after starting it will get the red triangle, the traction battery light, and brake system warning light. The car will drive fine in this condition until it is turned off, then it will not start. If I use my OBD2 tool to check for codes I don't get any codes, but clearing the codes will normally allow the car to restart. Occasionally I have to disconnect the 12V battery to get it to restart. Once I get it to start with no codes and drive it a while the condition doesn't come back, unless it sits for a few days undriven. This car is my daily driver and as long as I drive it every day it doesn't have the problem. I just put in a new yellow top Optima battery since the old one was 5+ years old and the problem came back after I didn't drive for a few days. I think this is related to something draining the 12V battery while it sits, but no idea what it could be. The car is stock with exception of a stereo mod to add in an Aux port. It is on it's 3rd traction battery with about 350K miles.

    Thanks for any ideas on where to start.
     
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    That's the fault of the OBD2 tool you're using.

    You can easily get around that for the brake system warning light, this way:

    Blink (a/k/a Flash) Codes – How to. | PriusChat

    But that still won't give you the codes behind the red triangle. (I'm not sure what you're calling the traction battery light; can you describe that one further?)

    Also, it's quite possible the only blink codes you get from the brake system will be 51 and/or 58, which don't mean anything wrong with the brake system, and only repeat that you should look at the codes causing the red triangle.

    For the codes behind the triangle, you need access to a scan tool that can see them. Some options are reviewed in this thread:

    Gen2 OBD2 app review | PriusChat
     
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    Hi Bart! I don't understand this bit?

    It might be worth your time to get a Techstream cable and scan for codes again
     
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    Simple first step is to check the voltage of the 12 volt battery, first thing in the morning, car completely off.

    Disconnect the neg cable from 12 volt battery, then connect a multimeter between the neg post and the cable. Do this in such a way that the meter is outside of the car, say running wires over the hatch threshold and gently closing the hatch. Wait about 1/2 hour, ensure all fobs are well away from the car, then measure the amperage with the meter. Just in case, start with the amp scales, and gradually step it down to milliamps.

    On our third gen I was seeing "background" drain around 20 milliamps, with periodic spikes to around 40. The spikes might be due to the security icon blinking in the dash, but it didn't seem to sync with that. It's something.

    If you're seeing much higher amperage, you need to start troubleshooting:

     
  5. Bart A Hammontree

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    Hello

    I just tried starting the car after not driving it since Sunday and it ran for about a minute before it threw the red triangle, brake warning light (yellow circle with !), and the hybrid system warning light in the center console display (red car with !). In this condition the car continues to run until I shut it off, but won't restart until I use my cheap OBD-2 scanner to clear all codes. It usually doesn't actually throw a check engine light, or have any OBD-2 codes stored that I can see.

    I used to have the a tech-stream cable for my laptop but seem to have lost the cable so I can't get currently see any other codes.

    I am planning on ordering another tech-stream cable and will post results after I get it. I will also check the voltage, and amp draw since I suspect this is due to something draining my 12V battery. Appreciate the great suggestions and will let you all know what I find.

    Thanks!
     
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    if the car starts, it's not the 12v. more likely hybrid battery the like
     
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    Guess-the-codes isn't a very good game, but as long as we're playing, a P0AA6 code will act kinda like that.
     
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    Holy moly....been through these same exact symptoms in dozens of threads.

    You have a P0AA6 fault for High Voltage Insulation degradation. It's not showing up on your code reader because your code reader doesn't speak Toyota Hybrid language.

    The P0AA6 code is the ONLY code that causes the "loss of start" once the car is turned off after the code triggers. When the code triggers it will allow you to continue driving normally...until you turn the car off. Then it won't let the car go ready again until the code is cleared, whether that be by resetting with a code reader or by disconnecting the 12v battery. A 'reset' command, even by a non-toyo-hybrid speaking reader will still reset unread codes.

    This code is usually caused by electrolyte seepage at the HV battery terminals (or the bottom of the module at the screw thread insert) eventually making contact with the metal case of the battery. Sometimes it the power cables, the inverter, the transaxle or the AC compressor. A subcode will eventually be triggered informing you of the more specific location.

    Sry Chap, had to leave after I started typing and finished late. Looks like you mentioned the AA6 while I was away!
     
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    Thanks - I have another techstream cable on order and will check for the P0AA6. If that is the problem would it only manifest after the car sits? I can literally drive this car for months with no codes, as long as it doesn't sit for more than 2-3 days. It has been doing this for several years and I have just lived with it, but getting ready to hand this car down to my 16 year old and would like to get it fixed.

    I did check amp draw on the 12v, and it was about 14 miliamps, so seems to be in the normal range. I will check voltage on the 12v for the next few days and see if it is dropping.

    Thanks
     
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    When you get the TS back working, go online with the car and bring up the Hybrid System tab/screen. Look for the parameter labelled as ShortWave Highest Value. That is the insulation resistance reading displayed as a 0-5v signal. A car in good condition will be a 4.99V. (Never seen a 5V). If I remember correctly, the P0AA6 triggers when this value drops to around 3.2V.

    The subcode will tell the tale to help determine the actual area (5 possibilities?) where the car thinks the problem is located.
     
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    If you don't see a subcode of 526 plus another code in the range 611-614, cycle the car OFF then IG-ON again. Rescan (or refresh) and you should then see the second code.
     
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    I finally got the new techstream cable and got it working with my Laptop and got the following codes:

    P0AA6
    C1256
    C1259
    C1310
    B1421
    B1200
    B1207
    B1271

    I clicked on the P0AA6 and got detail codes 526, and 612.

    Any ideas on where to start with this are much appreciated. One other issue that may or may not be related is I noticed the area under the spare tire and inside the 12V battery well is catching rain water. I am assuming I have a leaking hatch seal or a clogged drain, but its holding about an 1" of water in both areas. Going to shop vac it out and see if I can figure out how it's getting in.

    Thanks
     
  13. Bart A Hammontree

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    I decided to pull the battery yesterday and open the case to see if I could spot a leaking cell or other issue. The battery was a mess inside the case with several cells apparently leaking and bad corrosion on terminals (see photo). I was planning on trying to replace bad cells but given the damage I am shopping for a replacement battery. Any suggestions on who sells a good replacement product? This car is going to be a 1st car for my daughter to drive for a year or 2, then likely it will be sold or donated, so looking at used or reconditioned vs new.
     

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    That is a Dorman refurbished battery. The corrosion is likely just cosmetic. Get a new wire harness and replace the bad module(s). I've had very good luck repairing Dormans.
     
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    Thanks - I think I will try a repair on this battery before I give up. I took the bus bar loose today and checked the individual voltages. I got a low of 7.48v, and a high of 7.78v. Most were around 7.6-7.7V. What voltage readings would indicate a bad cell? I didn't see any obvious leaking cells though there is a lot of gunk around the terminals.

    Thanks
     
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    One test you can do- leave all the modules clamped together and bolted to the bottom housing plate. Connect one lead from your digital multimeter to that plate. Take the other lead and hold it to a module stud- see if you have a steady DC voltage reading.

    If so, that module has a leak. If not (ie, it's 0V), go to the next one and recheck.

    Also unplug the orange voltage sense harness from the HV battery ecu and check for corrosion of the connector or ecu pins.

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  17. Bart A Hammontree

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    I tried testing the voltage of each cell to the case and I found 15 modules with more than 1V, and a few up around 5-6V. I am thinking that with this many cells leaking I need to bite the bullet and get a new battery. Thanks for the help in diagnosing the issue.