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Engine oil for 2023 Corolla Hybrid 1.8

Discussion in 'Toyota Hybrids and EVs' started by McCarthy, Feb 6, 2023.

  1. mikefocke

    mikefocke Prius v Three 2012, Avalon 2011

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    Since this is a sub forum entitled Honda/Acura, why is a Corolla question even here? Maybe Toyota Nation would be better.
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    There is a Toyota EV/hybrid subforum here. Can't say how it ended up in the Honda section.
     
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    Reported, Tideland may move it.
     
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    Well that's too bad.
    It was a serious question.
    Do they really not give you a paper copy of the manual anymore ?

    And if you actually could see this reply, you might actually learn that a tiny difference is stated viscosity like that amounts
    to no functional practical difference at all.

    So....pick one of the above and don't fret over it.
     
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    The more to the point the better, with searches. Toyota doesn't provide oil change instructions in Owner's Manuals; that nixes your search. Best bet is a very specific phrase, say 0W-16 or 0W-20 (don't forget the damn dash). Ditto with tire specs: say you're looking for temp spare tire info: I'll usually search for 195/65R15, for 3rd gen Prius, and that'll get you to the right page at least..
     
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    Yep, oil to use is printed on the fill cap.

    I don't know why folks are so mean in here...if you don't want to help folks, stay the hell away! Jerks.

    We have two Priis but they take different oil, 0W-20 and 0W-16....very annoying! The 0W-16 says I can use 0W-20 but just for one oil change..be sure to go back to 0W-16 for the next.
     
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    I'd just pick the heavier of the two, used for both.
     
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    And do you know WHY that is ?
    It has been explained in here before.
    Probably more than once.
     
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    Yep good ole Uncle Sam trying to save the planet because of global warming forcing car manufacturers to increase MPG's and reduce emissions.

    A master Toyota mechanic told me they've made minor mods to the engine to accept the thinner oil so use it....so I do.

    Pretty soon, they'll be taking 0W-8 oil! (Some racing vehicles, like motorcycles, are already using it.)
     
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    The non-hybrid 2023 Corolla oil spec is 0W-8, has a new 2 liter engine (same as 5th gen Prius?*). I didn’t realize when posting this it’s not the hybrid Corolla, but anyway:

    Engine oil for 2023 Corolla Hybrid 1.8 | PriusChat

    * Checked: owners manual for 5th Gen Prius says 0W-16
     
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    It is actually because Japan is an island nation with few natural resources. 0w16 and 0w8 were developed there.

    Photo from the reveal party of the Crown showed 0w8 on the its oil cap. When 0w16 start showing up here, 0w8 was starting to be used in cars in Japan.
     
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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    I won't buy a car from a factory that leaves 'debris' in the engine when they build them, or doesn't use oil FILTERS.

    I don't pretend to know now many milimicrons a bit of debris has to be to go cruising though the oil filter during the first 5000 miles of ownership, but I'm guessing that "break-in" is a phrase that stealerships use to get people into their 'maintenance department' more often.

    You've ALREADY spent your hard earned money on one of the most expensive substances on the planet:
    New Car Smell.
    So?
    Relax and enjoy the car!!!

    Think about it.
    Toyota warrants their stuff for, what?
    60,000 miles?
    Maybe 125,000 miles if you're gullible enough to buy their extended super-duper-pooper-scooper warranty?

    Let's face it.
    You can skip half of the oil changes on a Ford or a Dodge and it will hold together THAT long.
    Toyotas are AT LEAST that good, aren't they???

    BE an INFORMED owner.

    Your car's longevity will be decided MUCH MORE by the number of times you yank the hood open and check the filters and fluids YOURSELF and/or by how many times you've read the warranty and maintenance guide in the first 500 miles of ownership.

    Good Luck!
     
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    Thanks,

    I have about 850 miles on mine and I haven't even opened the hood yet
    I was thinking about getting the oil changed at 1000 miles. I never considered the oil
     
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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    The Warranty and Maintenance guide I mentioned above USED to mention CHECKING the oil every 30 days or 1,000 miles.
    I don't pretend to know what they do now (my newest car, a GM, is a 2020) BUT I DO KNOW that in an ICE car, filters and fluids are core and key to getting to 150,000 miles - maybe with a dash of good luck thrown in.

    Again,
    Good Luck!
     
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    I worked for Benz in R&D, in Germany, engine development for the SLK and SL classes, masters in Engineering. Also used to race in SuperBike class and built my own Yoshi engines. No matter how "tight" the tolerances, every proper engine uses break-in oil, and that gets dumped after a hard break-in on the dyno.

    A Toyota engine can last 250k miles, or 450k miles. Getting rid of the first oil within 500 miles is one part of the equation leading to 400+k miles.
     
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    Most people make major mistakes in the break-in period by babying the car or driving 600 miles back from a dealer, doing 75 mph the entire time, and that leads to oil-burning. If people don't check their oil level for the first 3k miles, they may end up with a very low oil level and damage the engine, even before the low oil level light comes on, due to overheating or breaking down the little oil that is left. Happens all the time.

    In order for for the piston rings to seal properly, they have to grind down on the cylinder wall cross hatching. In most engines, the rings only come out all the way when there is enough varying momentum. Babying the engine at low or steady RPM will not provide enough force on the rings, so they get to see blow-by into the crankcase early on, and the resulting carbon build-up on the cylinder walls prevents a decent seal altogether. At that point the rings can't strip off the oil properly, it stays on the walls, and it gets burned.

    A proper break-in happens within the first few miles by going through the entire rev band with increasing load, after a proper warm-up. High end cars get this hard break-in done in the factory, but your average consumer car doesn't get a break-in, in order to keep the manufacturing cost low. They suggest slow break-ins in the manuals only due to liability issues. The last thing a big car brand wants is yet another class action for suggesting consumers to do a hard (fast) break-in on public roads and crashing or hurting others in the process.
     
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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    How many people who buy new cars put 450k miles on them? Or 300?
    How many people replace those cars because the engines start burning excessive amounts of oil?
    (Trivia question! Define "excessive" oil consumption for Toyotas!!)
    The answer "might" surprise you!!!
    G3 owners regularly trash engines because of a non-lubrication related issue but even THOSE engines usually keep all of the pieces inside the block connected for 150,000+ miles, and the engines that DO fail because of a DESIGN issue are exacerbated by NOT FOLLOWING the warranty and maintenance guide.

    So....
    There's nothing wrong with replacing the "break-in" oil early....I guess, but for a middle to bottom shelf commuter car just be a little more informed about WHY you're doing it.
    BTW....I haven't checked specifically but I'm guessing that if you buy a new Mercedes today, the warranty and maintenance guide will not mention 'break-in oil' and I'm guessing also that their first maintenance scheduled oil change will be about the same as the more plebian cars.

    It's not 1973 anymore.
    People don't go to Jiffy-Lube every 3000 miles, and to the best of my knowledge there's no such thing as "break in oil" for consumer-grade cars.
    Heck.....most cars don't even use conventional oil in the 2020's!
    Union workers don't hand-build engines and leave a fist full of shavings in the block, and OIL FILTERS will trap and particles larger than a certain number of microns. Modern engines conform more or less to industry standards, and those standards if faithfully followed, and with a dash of good luck will yield predictable results, and let's face it....after 250,000 miles all the OTHER stuff on the car is about clapped out anyway - right?
    How much is an HVAC compressor?
    A CVT?
    New suspension parts?
    I've seen people IN THIS FORUM pay thousands for brake work?
    I'm told that there are inhospitable places on the planet that have to deal with rust and other corrosion issues.

    Like I say loudly and often....QUESTION AUTHORITY.
    I personally think that 10,000 mile OCIs are moronic for a car with a too-small engine sump.
    I think also that 0dubbaya16 is a little too 'loose' for my comfort.
    The Earth will be orbiting a cold-dead star before I use a dealership's "maintenance department" as my go-to for service.
    AND?
    I DID change the oil a little early in my last new car.
    Myself.
    I don't build race engines, and I won't be buying anything made by Benz.
    Not a hater, just not a buyer.
    I fix phones for a living, and I generally buy a new, base model car every 8-10 years and drive it for about 250,000 miles.
    My last 6 have been GMs and I still have 4 or them.
    My next lube-related failure will be my first one, and the last time I needed a tow truck (for my CFO) was sometime in the 90's.

    MY Mileage.
    Yours will vary.
     
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    As I posted in my other thread, I'm putting about 60k miles a year on my Corolla Hybrid, so yes, I'm aiming at well above 250k miles.

    You want to talk about GM?

    If I wouldn't need a car with great MPG and reliability, all I'd care about is smiles per gallon, and take my C7, or my Z51. And when I want to pull my neighbors house out of the way, I take my 2500 Denali Duramax. None of them will last 400 plus k, not even the L5P diesel with all the emissions crap planted on it, and I'm not going to delete it

    PS: none of my cars see a dealership or shop after purchase, ever again. I even do recalls on my own dime.



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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    Nice!
    Yeah....I can see why you also have a Corolla Hybrid!

    Best.....