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SE or XSE Prime?

Discussion in 'Gen 5 Prius Main Forum' started by Tara23, Apr 7, 2023.

  1. Tara23

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    I can’t decide between Prime SE or XSE. I don’t really like the look of the wheels on the SE, but that could be changed eventually aftermarket.
    Also, has anyone sat in the cloth seats of the regular hybrid? I’m assuming the SE seats would be similar.

    I don’t have a level 2 charger at my house, so for awhile I will just use a regular outlet outside. I don’t drive a lot, so I’m trying to determine if having the Prime would really be worth it as far as cost savings. Most of my trips are around town. I am concerned about how plugging in will affect my electric bill. Utilities have gone up a lot in the last year. I’m just trying to determine which would be more cost effective between the two…a Prime or the regular hybrid. I currently have a Rav4 hybrid and am kinda looking forward to buying my first plug in car.
    If anyone has any advice that I haven’t considered, that would be great! Thanks!
     
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    It may take a while for the Prime to pay off, given your circumstances, but it sounds like you should get the Prime.

    I have a RAV4 Prime, and find that I do almost all of my driving using the batteries. I commute about 30 miles a day.

    For trips beyond about 50 miles or so, where the engine will kick in, the hybrid fuel consumption is very reasonable.

    We have ‘time of use’ electrical rates- cheapest is 7pm-7am, and all day weekends. I program my car to charge accordingly. I’d say it will be about 3 yrs to break even compared to a RAV4 hybrid.

    I do have a level 2 charger- 4 1/2 or so hrs from empty vs 12. So you may be able to charge adequately overnight… but it’s a lot easier with level 2.

    I can’t speak to your electrical rates, but for me, the electricity costs is almost trivial.

    If I could do it again, I would. almost at the break even point, and I get to use commuter lanes (here in Ontario) even if I’m the only one in the car.
     
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    If you’re going to get a ‘conventional’ hybrid… get the Corolla and save some $$$. Regular Prius is a bit pointless, in my opinion.
     
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    Oh- I have an XSE on order… but if I have the option of switching it out for an SE, may go that route. The cloth seats in my RAV4 are holding up well, and I’m not convinced the extra features are worth the money (and the fuel economy hit).
     
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  5. Tara23

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    Thanks for all the opinions!
    To throw another monkey wrench into the equation, I was looking at pricing for the Bolt EV. I swore I would never buy a Chevy, but apparently all the battery recall stuff has been fixed and the price is less than the base trim Prime. I don’t drive much long distance, so the range would be plenty for me and there are other ICE cars in the household.
    Maybe going full EV would make more sense for my usage case. Decisions, decisions!
     
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    Fabric seats last longer for most people. Faux leather will start permanently wearing out within months for many people with white discoloration from sweat etc.

    Charging is cheaper for most people than gas and reduces wear on the ICE engine.

    SE has ~ 20% higher BEV range and fuel efficiency than XSE.
     
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  7. bisco

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    welcome!
    how many miles a year will you put on a new prius?

    if your electric rates are anything like mine, you will be paying more to drive electric than gas, depending on the fluctuating price of gas.
    driving electric is great, nonetheless. it is unlikely either prius will save you money over a standard gasser.
    your electric bill will reflect the amount of charging you do, so we can't tell you how much it will effect it.
    we can tell you about how many kwh it takes to fill an empty battery.
    then, depending on your driving situation, you can figure out about how many miles you can go on a charge, and then about what a full charge will cost based on you kilowatt cost, and then cents per mile driven.
    you can do the same calculation with gas
     
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    Bz4x?
     
  9. drash

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    Welcome! :) Yeah EVs are a great choice, but the the biggest negative is winter driving. The biggest advantage is using the engine in the Prius Prime to provide extra heat in the winter and while you have the engine on it will also charge the battery, called charge mode. I've done that a few times to provide extra heat in really cold weather. Having a smaller battery means it won't take as long to charge too. My next car will probably be an EV but I will keep it in a garage and have an L2 charger. Make sure whatever you buy that it has heated seats and a heated steering wheel. Good luck.
     
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    I prefer Prime! By its appearance and technical characteristics!
     
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    bolt is getting rave reviews from some former prime prius chatters
     
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    We really, really, really like our RAV4 Prime and gen 4 Prius Prime. The driving experience is so much more enjoyable when in EV mode (instant response, quieter), and if mainly trips around town, can use none or very little gas.

    At over 4000 miles so far, on the current tank of gas with the Prius Prime, and 280 mpg over the past 30,000 miles :)

    Even with the increase in electricity costs, the cost for charging the battery in these PHEVs is usually still pretty low. And the savings in maintenance (less frequent oil changes needed) is also a good benefit.

    We will never go back to a gas only or hybrid only car, they are just that good!
     
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    wonder what State do, or will, start charing a hybird/plug-in else ev tax due to lower fuel sells at the pump? I still like the idea of a hatch-back larger size ride with the new gen V hybrid engine. USA is black sheap of the family and does not get those imported by toyota.
     
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    For rough estimating purposes, based on average US prices (rough range $ 0.10 to $ 0.40 / kWh on AVERAGE) for residential electricity, and using the battery capacities of the Primes (not advertised capacity, but how many kWh you can charge up the battery, approximately:
    $1-3 to charge up a gen 4 Prius Prime
    $3-5 to charge up a gen 5 Prius Prime
    $4-6 to charge up a RAV4 Prime

    All bets are off for using public chargers, which have a lot of variation in cost, from free to very expensive.
     
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