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Evap systems leak on 2006, from gas tank?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by sfatula, Jun 2, 2023.

  1. sfatula

    sfatula Junior Member

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    The dealer did a smoke test and it showed a leak coming from the fuel tank where a large dent was found (ran over a large metal object). No fuel is leaking, just emissions. Does the tank really store emissions?

    They said a 77001-47090 would fix it (new tank with a couple other pieces). I don't know the first thing about emissions, just wanting to make sure this makes sense as it's not cheap. They said I could drive it likely forever as is, but, problem for me is I'd never know if a different code ever came up (engine light staying on) which might be something urgent wrong.

    So, would a fuel tank really likely resolve the issue as they say? I saw the smoke test leak, seemed like it was coming from the tank to me too. But did not realize there is a separate compartment in the tank, so confused by why no fuel would be leaking if it's all one piece?
     
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    Do you live in a state or county of state that requires emissions? If not you can ignore to code forever. It's not going to amount to anything really. Maybe a miniscule amount of gas might evaporate if you frequently park in direct noon sun on hot days only.

    If you do need to pass emissions that's another story.

    Don't get it fixed at the stealership, take it to a trusted independent mechanic.
     
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    You just buy a gas tank for LKQ or a junk car that's been smacked in the front or the side. Have your local mechanic install that put some gas in it fire it up and keep driving If you don't have to pass emissions you can just leave it you're good.
     
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    Your car is way too old to be spending the value of the car at a Toyota Stealership on a brand new major component that will outlive the lifespan of the car.

    Instead find a 06 Prius fuel tank assembly at the wrecker with a 30 day or more warranty and install that... You and a friend could swap 'em out in an afternoon, or find a local mechanic to do it and then all the money you would of spent at the stealership can wait in the bank for when you're finally at the end of the road with this car and its time to get something newer.
     
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    Yes, I do agree I am not having the dealer fix it. But that's not my question. My question was if a gas tank itself can leak emissions, but not gas. Seems like there would be a hose behind it or something else that would actually be leaking. Just wanting to understand. The thing is, it's on the bottom, if the tank is full of fuel how can no fuel leak out? More specifically, looking at the tank as if from the front of the car, it would be at the bottom, front, right.

    I can't do it myself, too old with too many medical issues. Now, if in fact a gas tank can do that and there are no hoses above that point that are leaking, maybe there is a way I could seal it. But no way to replace it. I'd have to find a mechanic in a rural area who might be able to. Not very many choices here. But again, not my main point. Just want to make sure the issue is as they described it (and I seemed to see).

    Finding a used tank in my area, where there might have been a few Priuses over the years probably won't be easy either. If it's just the metal tank leaking emissions, can't it be sealed somehow? It's otherwise fine.

    The reason I want the engine light to go off is in case a real problem shows up one day. If the engine light is always on, I won't catch something that might be a lot more important.

    That car will actually never be replaced. It's in great shape otherwise and we'll be a one car familay after that. We have a 2023 and we're good with one car but it's just for convenience here and there. Hoping to get another 5-10 years out of it, don't put but maybe 4000 miles a year on it.
     
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    There's actually a mobile service guy on here based in Oklahoma who does a full engine swap in a single day in your driveway for only $1500 labor charge... I bet if you called him he'd promptly be at your doorstep ready to swap out your gas tank assembly with a used one for a super reasonable price in just an an hour or two of effort. I'm looking for his profile name and will post it when I find it.

    As for learning more about your gas tank, it's a rubber bladder inside a metal tank in order to displace less polluted air when the tank fills which has created lots of problems and requiring a sensor to make sure there's no fumes between the bladder and the steal tank, which you seem to have. But Gen2 Prius are so reliable and parts are so cheap that you're better off just swapping it out and being done with it.
     
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    Please do let me know how to contact this person! Thanks a bunch in advance!!

    So, the bladder is not leaking gas, however, somehow there are fumes between the bladder and the metal tank. And somehow more fumes keep being added (since smoke test shows the smoke coming out). So, there is a leak somewhere to get those fumes there I presume. It's sounding like replacing the tank will indeed solve the issue.

    I took it to this a dealer as the previous mechanic said there was an emissions leak (correct), however, they couldn't find it and needed to take side panels off the car and so on. No way! I told them do a smoke test, they said they can't. Whatever. Took to dealer (in Ardmore) to diagnose.
     
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    If you can find out the error code that created the dash light that got you to take it to the mechanic we can not only confirm, but might have some more diagnosis/repair options you can do yourself.
     
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    It was just a P0441. Used to have also a 0445 and 0446 I believe they were, but new gas cap removed those and only this one comes back. I found this post:

    the gas bladder: exposed! | PriusChat

    Now I see a lot of stuff in there, hardly just a gas tank.

    I'm thinking the dealer is correct, just let me know if you can find the mobile mechanic. Well, just found him.
     
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    The space or volume inside the tank that surrounds the bladder isn't "directly" part of the evaporative emissions (fuel vapor) storage.

    The engineers use the space as part of the fresh air vent. But they included it as part of the system for testing purposes. So the charcoal canister vents through the tank "dead space", then the leak detection pump, and to outside air.

    The LDP checks the entire system from there back though the tank, canister, all the hoses, valves, etc up the the purge valve at the engine.

    One of the reasons for doing this is so that periodically, the system can "sample" the air around the bladder for fuel leaks from the bladder or pump assembly.

    You could consider scuffing up the damaged spot on the tank and sealing it with a strong epoxy (JB Weld?) and see how it does.

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
     
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    Yeah, this was one of the reasons I wanted to understand the issues a little better. I was thinking JB Weld but that didn't make sense based on my (almost zero) knowledge of fuel tanks. Now it is making more sense. As long as there is no other hose somewhere that leaks, this is the easiest way to tell! And it's something I can do. Thanks!
     
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    You found him? Please let me know... I'm done with losing track of his info...
     
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    HelloMcFly
     
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