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Need help with a diagnosis! 2008 Prius. Transmission issues?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by Frankie897, Jun 8, 2023.

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    Not much to add here but some sympathy for your situation. Replacing the inverter pump and cleaning the HV battery fan are probably due and may be the cause. Regardless they fall in the category of preventive maintenance so it is money well spent. Your biggest issue is finding a shop that knows what they are doing and is reasonable. Second biggest is spending some time and a little money to learn how to diagnose stuff yourself. There are several phone apps and some cheap hardware that will allow you to see what the car computer can tell you. Also the battery power indicator, what type of driving charges the battery, what discharges it and how quickly does it go. Good luck, hope we all are helping not frustrating you.
     
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    To be fair, I don't know if the P0A84 is still there. Nothing showed up on the scan by the mechanic when the issues last reappeared (when I made this post), but I don't know if that's just because their reader doesn't have access to all the codes or it's really not coming up any more. From what people are seeing on the Toyota job reports it looks like they may not have looked into it fully anyway though - they certainly didn't the first time since the same codes are recorded twice. The only other time Toyota scanned it they didn't record any of the codes (supposedly when the P0A80 appeared), so I have no idea how long it might have been there!

    I have an old schoolmate who specialises in Toyota hopefully having a look this week or next so I'll get him to check the connector, fan and inverter pump anyway.
     
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    A definite step in the right direction. ;)
     
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    Thank-you. No, you guys are definitely not frustrating me - everyone's been extremely helpful. I appreciate it massively!

    I knew a little about maintaining and troubleshooting my old 1983 Subaru Leone :ROFLMAO: but as my first more expensive (and much more complex!) car I decided I was best to pay the extra money and leave the servicing and repairs to the trusted experts with the Prius - especially when hybrids were relatively new. Since going through this process and finding Priuschat I've actually been thinking I'd like to be able to read the codes and know more about it myself. I always find it good to be at least a little informed and you guys have helped me feel like that's actually possible, even with the Prius! Will definitely be checking out options for reading the computer.
     
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    if your mom took it in for a new hybrid OEM battery, there should be paperwork and a bill of like at least $2,000.00 USD equivalent.
     
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    She has since given me all the paperwork she has on it. There's an invoice for a
    G951047031 battery - google tells me this is a new OEM battery? Screenshot 2023-06-15 at 5.36.53 PM.png Screenshot 2023-06-15 at 5.38.31 PM.png
     
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    If that's from a Toyota dealership, it is an OEM hybrid battery because that's all they sell. (That's a great price if it was at the NZ-US dollar conversion I just looked up.)
     
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    I strongly recommend the cell phone apps, they are way cool. I setup the torque app to monitor battery parameters first. It was helpful on a basic level and fun to see. A little tricky to get all the prius specific stuff but utube videos abound on this. The Dr Prius has the best battery test and other stuff in the cheap software category. There are way more advanced tools out there, fortunately never needed them.
    BTW, the torque app works on many cars, setup a screen for my turbo baja to monitor boost, AFR and RPM.
     
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    well thats a nice new OEM battery should last another ten years/100k miles!

    agree on the cellphone apps, they can tell you all kinds of stuff. temperatures, voltages, current, resistance, torque, rpm, acceleration, mpg, air-fuel mix, etc etc. A lot of them let you log data so you can make your own graphs, thats what i did here on my 2007, i save a few dozen data dumps to my web site: https:// treecricket dot com / vehiviz

    since the security bot wont let me post the link here is a graph i did

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    It’s certainly less than I was dreading it would be!
     
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    Interesting! A lot of that information on the apps looks like it would have been useful to have in trying to build a picture of what was happening (or when something changes)… any recommendations for hardware to link to the car’s computer, or are they all pretty much of a muchness?

    Inverter is getting replaced and battery fan checked on Tues. Will update y’all on the result!
     
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    You need to take it back and get them to fix it. You already spent thousands. I would point blank ask if they put a new hv battery or set of cells in or were they "reconditioned" (used)? The price you paid is about $1800 US which is way too cheap for new at a dealer.
     
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    They SHOULD have cleaned the fan when they replaced the battery.
     
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    The Dr Prius app is a little picky about bluetooth interfaces, torque not as much. I last bought one on amazon, that way if it didn't work returning was easy. Next time I may try one that is hard wired to the phone as I keep losing them!
     
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    Do some research on what you want (need) your scantool to be able to do. I have several different ones as each has it's strengths and weaknesses.

    A place to start is this thread.
    https://priuschat.com/index.php?posts/3290690

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
     
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    Concerning scanners, some of the choices have higher end models. Why? Because they do more. For example, one of the more challenging jobs is properly bleeding the brake booster system without Techstream. I have only seen one scanner under $1000 that could do it. Many say they can but they are general purpose, multi-brand tools that may do a conventional Ford ABS but not a Prius equivalent.

     
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    When the foreman rang I got the very strong feeling he was gaslighting me (I mean really, trying to say it was a new issue causing the exact same symptoms after every one of his ‘fixes’?), so maybe it’s unfair of me but I’m no longer confident he wouldn’t just take the car and pretend it was a whole bunch of other things instead, to make it sound like it had never been something as simple as the inverter pump or battery fan and they’d been right to send me home so many times with it unfixed… I do intend to have a meeting with manager though, and try and get them to at least reimburse me for the work by another mechanic to fix it if that does prove to be the cause.

    I will ask them about the battery at the meeting with the manager. Bear in mind the part only price didn’t include gst, so the total price for the part itself was NZD$3,450. XE currency conversion puts that at about $2,150 US.
    The original quote was NZD$4,014 ($2,500 US) so I don’t know if they actually gave us a discount or, as you say, gave us a reconditioned battery in the end. It would be good to find out… Is that something this other mechanic could tell by looking at it?
     
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    One would hope. It will be interesting to see this other mechanic finds on Tues.

    They also SHOULD have checked the tyres when doing the service and WOF (they certainly ticked it off), but when I checked the tyres before this last trip less then a month later they were all flat - one of them badly so (should be 35psi… it was 26). I checked them again a week later and they haven’t gone down so it doesn’t look like a leak. I will test that one more time in another week just to be fair though.

    (Yes, I checked them cold each time)
     
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    i had good luck with BAFX OBDII reader on Android using the Torque App, theres a lot of options out there for simple data gathering.
     
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    Typically the power connector to the hybrid battery fan rots out because just about All Gen2 prius leak water in the hatch area from cracks in the hatch valley. The water trickles down the rear passenger side of the car internally behind the interior panels and tends to drip right on top of the hybrid fan connector and corrodes it.
    Very easy to check if you are leaking water open up the rear hatch take the spare tire out and look around for corrosion. You will see water in the 12 volt battery well. Get a flashlight and look in that battery hole and see how corroded the well is. If its rusted badly that 12 volt battery can fall out.

    Its easy to check that corroded fan connector just take off the back interior carpeted panel. Its the white connector.

    Here's a disassembly guide for a hybrid battery charger install. Good easy instructions how to take the side carpeted interior panel off its easy 2 screws, Its Step 7 & 8 to remove rear passenger side panel.
    Step 22 shows the fan and its white connector. Open the connector up look at the pins and socket for green corrosion. Step 24 address cleaning that battery fan:

    2004 – 2009 Toyota Prius Plug-and-Play Car Harness Installation Instructions - Hybrid Automotive
     
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