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DIY Head Gasket complete! Now error codes...

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by Sarp1028, Apr 19, 2023.

  1. Sarp1028

    Sarp1028 Junior Member

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    I’m here! Yes. 36 ft lbs , then 90, then 45. Inside to outside following x pattern.

    this time around I increased to 40ftlbs, then 90, then 45. New new head gasket. Used Cooper spray. Three coats each side.
     
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    Great point RJ. Without the immediate resources to have a shop, checked over and not necessarily certain how much it cost or where to even resource a new head I’m going for it with the second attempt on the existing head as well as trying to crank it down a little harder with utilizing that copper spray worst-case scenario is that it doesn’t work again, and then I will consider the cost of replacing the head altogether at some point I should probably think about when I should cut sling load on this mission because the money is starting to add up. However, it has been fun for a mirror, mechanic peasant like myself to actually appreciate how neat these internal combustion engines are and what a miracle it is, that they actually work.
     
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    Last off for now, is that I have reassembled the the engine sandwich, so to speak with the new gasket and the head and the cam tray. Over the next two days, I will reassemble all of the remaining odds and ends, and ensure that the connectors all find their mate, and I will go for a launch unfortunately, work will take me away from home for a bit, namely, one month but I Gotta know if I hit pay dirt before I leave and report back to you guys who have help me out along the way
     
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    @Mendel Leisk @rjparker

    Success! My engine hums like new. Thank you for the help and guidance along the way.

    now just have to sort out a new code… P0AA6. Probably nothing, right!? (y)

    unfortunately, I will be out of town for one month for work so I will have to address it when I get back. Before I’m leaving, I’m putting both the 12 V and the traction battery on the battery tenders and maintainers. It looks like that this code can only really be deciphered when you get a subcode to analyze what’s really going on and I’m not sure if my Bluetooth reader can get those more specific codes. Anyways, if you guys have any ideas of where I should start down this rabbit hole for this code? Please let me know!
     
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    Glad it's running!

    Where did you find hybrid battery tender/maintainer?????

    P0AA6:



     
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    Next to the 400$ in my wallet lol. Went with MaxxVolts
     
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    Just as the video shows, P0AA6 first comes up with a subcode 526. On the next time you power the car up, it will see the 526 and go through a little sequence on its own that helps it pin down the leak to one of four areas (611, 612, 613, or 614).

    That little sequence is more or less a matter of carefully noticing when the code is detected again, between IG ON, READY but in neutral, READY in gear, or with the A/C running.

    In the Gen 1 Prius, which was before it had that automatic four subcodes trick, you could narrow things down to one of the three areas (Gen 1 didn't have electric A/C) by just following that same sequence yourself. In the later cars, if you don't have a tool to read the INF codes, you can still do that.
     
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    Ive been back from my trip for about a month now and have been driving the Prius nonstop. Runs great. Mileage is where i left it about 38MPG. No oil leaks. Leaks were not a problem before however with all of the removing of parts and requirements to silicone up contact surfaces... I was worried. I performed two 300 mile journeys... twice... no engine issues.

    Except one issue.

    P0441 - EVAP system incorrect flow detected. Elaborating for the uninitiated, the code refers to a ventilation of the fuel. Often loose gas cap is the issue... or faulty one. In my case given the head gasket work ive done, i suspect something isnt buttoned up well. Plan is to remove Air intake and check hoses and clamps.

    Other forums indicated that the purge valve may need to be replaced. I should hope thats the case for the simplicity of it.


    Anyways. Thank you everyone for your input, support, and knowledge. @ChapmanF @Mendel Leisk @rjparker @ASRDogman @mr_guy_mann @Tombukt2 @MikeDee @PriusCamper .

    It took two tries for this non-mechanic to do a head gasket correctly but the second attempt has been a charm. Shops were quoting me $6k-8.5k to complete the job. The cost to me without use of the car (rentals), an overpriced mobile mechanic ($1k) to clean my egr (and other stuff) for me, parts, tools, etc was close to $3k. The second attempt was a bit more careful to make sure timing was correct, I used permatex copper spray on (all) gaskets, used new headbolts, and cranked them 10% above spec. Feel free to reach out if you find this thread and need some tips on your own head gasket job.
     
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    Congratulations. I think the diy record is three hg jobs followed by a gen4 retrofit that still has minor issues. This was in California where quality independent hybrid work is readily available.

    It seems there are some basic lessons once again reinforced through your experience of head gasket misdiagnosis and double repair. You are not the first and won't be the last due to some pointed misdirection from forum members and uninitiated local mechanics.

    Number one problem. Wrong diagnosis because a gen3 hg does not present like other classic hg fails. $1200 parts cannon followed by ghosting. None of this was bad.

    Plus a classic discharge the hv battery in the process and the left turn to resolve it.

    Second common issue is timing chain misalignment along with connectors left off. Not specific to a Prius but too common with a first time diy.

    That pricing represents a pristine rebuilt engine at a Toyota dealer around here. Carefully removed, disassembled, cleaned, new pistons and rings, machined or new head, the works. Like new engine with a guarantee. Which is the way to go on a 200k mile or higher engine in an otherwise well preserved Prius. Except when a $3500 professionally rebuilt engine installed is possible assuming a local shop can at least change the engine.
     
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    Really good points all around.

    Another symptom that did not present so obviously is the telltale “milkshake” oil. When I would ask other people, if they thought my car was having a head gaske issue they would ask if white smoke is coming out of the tailpipe and if my oil look like a milkshake. Neither of these symptoms presented. Regardless, I could not ignore the stuttering that occurred from a full stop when I was driving the car, I knew on my first attempt of changing the head gasket that it was a catastrophic fail, because when I drop the oil, I suddenly knew exactly what they were talking about regarding the milkshake consistency.

    I noticed Gen III forum doesn’t have official of “pinned”, “mileage club” forums. I have only found one or two people like me with 300k + Gen 3s. Anyone know who the moderator is to appeal to for having such forums created and pinned to the top of Gen3 Main Forum?
     
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    In a lot of modern engines you do not get the classic coffee and cream look in the oil I've had my god $20 or 30 head gasket jobs that I remember in my life that did not have the classic coffee light texture or look in the oil pan or on the dipstick this is actually very common and more modern engines since say the mid '80s I was working and running Toyotas back then too Not that any of that matters. So many times your oil looks great your water looks great but you're still blowing steam and pressure into the cooling system. With the aluminum blocks the open deck design pushed in liners for the cylinders to run up and down in and all of that everything has to be damn skippy straight flat all of it any flex and weirdness and things are going to open up and leak again which is common in the open deck design of a lot of engines today there's buttloads of them out there there are also some very good open deck designs that can stand four five times the horsepower that they were made to take One of those engines is in the Yaris and I believe it's a 1NZ. Pumping out in the neighborhood of 350 400 horsepower and reasonably reliable too as Toyota's go The two z in corolla's non Atkinson cycle. Don't seem to have a lot of these problems we've had a few.
     
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    I'm glad it's all working well for you!
    You should just check the gas cap, it might have just failed. Clean it and clean the filler neck...
    But likely something is loose...

     
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    Feel free to create a 300,000 mile club thread and I can sticky it. I couldn't find one for Gen 3 (just Gen 2 and Prius v)
     
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    Wow... That's probably the best way to explain to someone who doesn't know auto repair what the problem is with Gen3 Prius. Will be interesting to see how many people are in that club once the club exists.
     
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    13 personahitting 300K now 2nd engine..
     
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    Being at 300k after $10k worth of repairs is not a sign of pride. It just means you a glutton for pain.
     
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    Lessee, currently around 60k miles, and doing around 2k miles yearly, I’ll hit 300k in…., never mind. :unsure:
     
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    I don't even have $1000.00 in repairs....

    NOT counting fluid changes...
     
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    You got new sidewalks no kidding they look good?
     
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