Prius beat by Honda and Volkswagon in MPG?

It is just a listing of official EPA numbers. Nothing new!

 

Too bad they don't make the Insight anymore. Let's look at the new numbers:

#1: Toyota Prius.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Stev0 @ Dec 10 2006, 09:50 PM) [snapback]360235[/snapback]</div>

Funny how the two seaters and minicompacts are the worst of the best.

 

I'm with your, Tideland... the Prius seems to be missing, plain and simple... it's not mentioned anywhere on the page. As for who beats it, i think that depends on how you classify the car - small or mid-sized? Cause the Prius is bigger than a Corolla, but smaller than a Camry...

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(eagle33199 @ Dec 11 2006, 08:24 AM) [snapback]360321[/snapback]</div>

The Prius is about the same size as the Camry -inside-. If you doubt me, check the passenger room dimensions. Shoulder room is slightly smaller, but the rest are about the same. Ditto for the cargo room. The Prius is larger inside than the Camry hybrid (cargo room).

There have been "inconsistancies" in the EPA list for some time now. Perhaps they have been too busy trying to fix the "hybid mileage problem" to deal with them.

 

While the list linked to in the opening post is indeed from EPA data, it's from The Weather Channel who seem to be picking "the most popular" cars; furthermore, it's from last year's data. The link I linked to above shows everything.

 

Camry Prius Corolla
Head room 38.8/37.8 39.1/37.3 39.3/37.1
Shoulder room 57.8/56.9 55.0/52.9 53.1/53.5
Hip room 54.6/53.9 51.0/51.6 51.9/46.2
Leg room 41.7/38.3 41.9/38.6 41.3/35.4


Comparing the three cars directly is a bit difficult - if you notice, the Corolla wins in headroom front, the Camry in headroom rear. The Camry wins in both shoulder and hip room, while the Prius wins in leg room.

However, perhaps the better comparison is the seating and cargo volumes:

Camry Prius Corolla
Passenger volume (cu. ft.) 101.4 96.2 90.3
Luggage capacity (cu. ft.) 15.0 14.4 13.6

The Prius falls almost exactly between the Corolla and the Camry (probably not by accident, either...) - 5.9 cu. ft. larger than the Corolla in Passenger volume, but 5.2 cu. ft. smaller than the Camry. Same thing with luggage capacity - 0.8 bigger than the Corolla, 0.6 smaller than the Camry.

So if the Corolla and the Camry are "ideal" small and mid-sized cars (respectively), where does that leave the Prius? I put ideal in quotes, because in order to find the ideal, you'd have to go through the entire list and create averages for each size car... In the end, it's this confusion that has led the Prius to be classified as small and mid-sized in different publications - maybe when preparing this list, they got confused about what size the Prius was and accidentally left it off?

 

It sems it's just old. If you go to compare vehicles, then add a new one to the list, there are no 2007 models. There is a 2005 Prius you can add. I guess it didnt help the 2006 model was released by Toyota so late.

 

One of their sources, http://fueleconomy.gov/feg/byclass.htm, does list the Prius under family sedans. The Weather Channel chose not to include it. So if you are doing research on a new car don't depend on the Weather Channel.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tumbleweed @ Dec 11 2006, 12:45 PM) [snapback]360360[/snapback]</div>

And it also definitely proves that the Prius will not win surveys in which it is not included.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tideland Prius @ Dec 11 2006, 10:57 AM) [snapback]360457[/snapback]</div>

According to Toyota's advertising brochure the non-hybrid Camry LE has 15 cu ft of luggage space (seatbacks up) the SE and XLE have 14.5. The Camry hybrid has 10.6. The Prius is listed as 16.1 cu ft and it doesn't say if the seatbacks are up or down, I would assume up.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tumbleweed @ Dec 11 2006, 08:45 AM) [snapback]360360[/snapback]</div>

I don't check for the Dow Jones report on Trinity Broadcasting Network either.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tumbleweed @ Dec 11 2006, 01:16 PM) [snapback]360470[/snapback]</div>

I drew my data from the Toyota website (pick the car, select specifications on the left, then the dimensions or capacities tabs), so i'm pretty sure they're accurate. As for whats included (seats up/down, etc), the Camry page specifies that the seatbacks are up, but none of the other pages say either way, so your guess is as good as mine.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tideland Prius @ Dec 10 2006, 09:18 PM) [snapback]360202[/snapback]</div>

That is strange.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tideland Prius @ Dec 10 2006, 09:18 PM) [snapback]360202[/snapback]</div>

Using the lookup feature on the site, the Golf diesel is 5.3 tons and the Toyota Corrola is 5.5 tons and the Scion xA is 5.6 tons. (Thus, the Golf has the lowest GHG emissions.)

The relative fuel costs from this site for these three cars is $915, $934, and $961. The Scion XA gets the lowest MPG numbers. (Since diesel is more expensive than premium, at least in NJ, the cost for the Golf should be higher.)

The GHG, fuel costs, and MPG are measuring the same thing (basically): the EPA fuel efficiency test.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tideland Prius @ Dec 11 2006, 09:31 PM) [snapback]360734[/snapback]</div>

hehe... you called it a boot. :lol:

Sorry, i just couldn't resist