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Discussion in 'Prius v Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by leopard219, Jul 12, 2023.

  1. leopard219

    leopard219 New Member

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    Hello,

    I am not very good with gauging repairs in cars or how to maneuver the industry so I am asking for help.

    I have a Prius V 2014. 150k Miles. Regular oil changes. It has been heavily used in the past 3 years (around 90k miles)

    Recently I took it to Midas. Got a quote for 3000 to change headgasket. Got that repaired. 1 month later the car shakes vigorously when on. Video link:

    Took it back to midas. Got another quote for $8000 to completely replace my engine. They said my bearings and rods were worn out.

    Considering the price. I have decided to sell it. But before doing so I started doing research. Turns out Midas is not necessarily trusted with vehicles, let alone a Prius. I am having second doubts about the diagnosis, and my previous HG repair also.

    I am now trying to look for a repair shop to get a second opinion but it seems that around my area no one really works with Priuses.

    My questions:
    1. How do I find shops that I can trust
    2. Should I trust the diagnosis of Midas.
    3. Do you think their repair of the headgasket skrewed over other parts of the engine? if so, how do i prove it? (they told me they worked on the engine in another shop and they had their top mechanic on the job, I have no clue how these thing work so I didn't think much of it at the time)
     
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    rjparker Tu Humilde Sirviente

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    Where are you?

    (As a newbee post five times for quicker replies)
     
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    Local community resources: ask family, friends, church, gym buddies, dinner club... whatever your local social scene is, that's by far the best way. Better than anything you'll find on the internet, anyway.
     
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    Ouch, first of all, ask around and find a better place to get your car worked on. From my experience, the "chain" places (Midas, Firestone, even some dealerships) are just out to sell the most expensive service they can in order to pad their bottom line.
    Do you have the Neighborhood App on your phone? Post a local question about auto mechanics and you will get a LOT of replies....and you want to know the good, the bad, and the ugly! The best mechanics I've found are usually honest older guys with their own shop and once they make you part of their family, you are set. (I've had a few like that...SUCH a blessing to know they are speaking the truth about what the car really needed.)

    Concerning the original head gasket repair, talk to the manager and talk about the warranty on the repair...which Midas DOES have on all their services. (All mechanic shops do...it's usually 12 or 24 months.) So that money you originally paid should be either refunded or they deduct any ADDITIONAL work from that.

    Keep us posted...
     
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    Don't even think about getting an engine from Midas! Another head gasket for free or a refund only.

    Most local mechanics have never seen or worked on a Prius head gasket. If it was bad enough for Midas to diagnose it, it needed an engine then. These engines have several design flaws with piston rings being the biggest. Massive carbon and egr problems as well.

    A professionally rebuilt and installed engine for $4k all in is possible. Keep that is mind.
     
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    Thank you for the replies. I am in Flint, Michigan. It pretty hard to find someone near me that works on Prius thats not a dealer or a chain. The closest so far I can find that are comfortable with working on a Prius is an hour away.

    I sorta confronted Midas and asked them if the damage has anything to do with the HG repair. The mechanic kinda looked away and said "maybeee, but unlikely" Thanks to this thread I went ahead called the main customer relations branch and placed a complaint, I am going to see what comes out of this. I will probably call the manager and see what he has to say as well

    Edit: I called the manager, he said the part they worked on was not the part that is now damaged. I don't know enough to argue against that.
     
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    PM from Op:

    "I am in Flint, Michigan. I called them, they said the work they did was not on the part of the engine that is now malfunctioning. I don't have enough knowledge to argue against that so I took their word for it. I asked if their warranty at all applied, they just gave me condolences and said its understandable im frustrated but they can't do anything."
     
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    How many mi after the head gasket repair did it start acting up? You drove approximately 30k mi a year the last three years…
     
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    Midas stores are mostly franchises. Talk to their corporate offices to see if they can assist.

    Talking points; If the rods and bearing were shot; why did they sell you a head gasket repair? Any rookie mechanic should've saw this a mile away. You don't sell someone an expensive "patch-job"; because this is what happens. Now everyone's upset.

    When I was working in my dad's independent shop; we would send customer packing - if they want to cheap-out. Ie. bring in their own parts and expect us to warranty their cheap, knock-off, and sometimes defective parts. Quality matters in a big, expensive, build - something as small as a bad or out of spec. washer, means your doing the job again - on your own dime...

    Hope this helps........
     
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    The car has been driven around 5k miles. Yeah the prius did have some heavy use the past few years for a job. I don't doubt the engine may have died. But the repair for the HG then the quote for the engine made me second guess going to midas. Also its been driven mostly on the highway, only 1/4 of that is in the city.

    Also, borrowed a scanner:

    As I understand misfiring can be many different problems. Sorry for the glare lol.
     
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    Check out Te Car Care Nut's video on YouTube. This is what you really needed. He is, however in Chicago - about 300 miles from Flint,



    It might be worth the wait and the transport to Chicago, though, if you really want the job done right,
     
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    Poor guy, he's going to end up spending Way more than needed there. $6500 is about $2k higher than Hybrid Pitstop can do the Gold engine swap for him...but there's the problem of distance. Maybe CCN will charge him less labor if he doesn't have to fully rebuild an engine for him in house.
     
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    Sigh. Do you have any info about Midas’ warranty policy on repairs? (Their website says ask the manager).

    It honestly sounds like they failed to repair your engine properly but don’t want to be responsible for it…